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Ulitimately it comes down to the old British curse - class division.

The political leanings of the various groupings may change over time and what constitutes "class" also alters, but it's the still the same old problem at it's root.

I doubt that can be changed. Not without some serious social engineering, and, as a Scot(*), I have no great enthusiasm for that.

Mike.

(*)Scottish politicians of all colours have been terrible for indulging in it since at least the end of WW2, that's part of the reason why the so much of the Clyde Valley is such a kek hole. :doh: An unfortunate side effect of Scotland's Presbyterian religious tradition.

From what ive seen/heard, Starmer, Is the only one Ive heard that seems remotley willing to entertain the idea that finger pointing and doubling down might not be a a bright idea. And even usually outspoken Jess Philips seems to have (wisely) dialed the rhetroric down abit. I heard a speech by Long-Bailey and she sounds completley nuts, like she lives in an alternate reality (She's bascially Corbyn Mk2). Eu flag dress Thronberry is no better.
Not so sure about the others. might have a little read up on them.

Best explaination of it ive heard yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kf1YKeq7lA

^I have not listened to it all (its over one hour), but what I heard, when I free it of typically British details it sound slike a perfect description of the German SPD collapsing, and I could imagine that it is a valid explanation for the tradtional left parties collapsing across much of Europe. However, collapsing socialist parties die snot atumotically imply a collapse os socialist state reason.It only means that traditonally socialist themes get hijacked by others and then combined with these their own charactertistic themes, rendering outspoken socilaist parties useless, needless, pointless. In germany, with a Merkel party that was shifted so much to the left as Merkel did, an SPD simply is not needed anymore.

Also, the disgust for this pandemic spreading of political correctness and "new speech" does its thing to add to the turnign away from such madness.

The eU will feel the dent from this inctreasingly, making itself turning more centralistic and in an attempt even totalitarian in return. Then ther eis the rift between eastern and the rest of Europe, and the confrontaiton between lenders and leasers, net payers and net receivers in the Esperanto currency union.

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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 2642908)

The way I'm currently seeing things is that all candidates are treading water until the unions and Momentum make their positions known publicly. The cancer from within is still there.

Some posts back I believe I said Starmer was the most probable successor and I still believe that but so much depends on the block votes of the unions and the 10% of total membership numbers of Momentum.

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The contest for the new Labour leader will formally begin on Tuesday with the winner announced on 4 April, the party's ruling body has decided.

Those who join the party or become affiliated supporters before 20 January will be eligible to vote.

Registered supporters - who are not full party members - will have 48 hours from 14-16 January to secure a vote by paying £25.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51000133

Pretty much as it was for the previous leadership election. Anything to make a fast buck :nope:

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Rebecca Long Bailey has become the sixth candidate to join the race to succeed Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader.

In an article for the Tribune magazine, she said Labour needed a "socialist leader who can work with our movement, rebuild our communities and fight for the policies we believe in".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51012381

Determined not to learn from the recent defeat, she is the closest to being a clone of Corbyn amongst the six contenders.

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2643477)

Pretty much as it was for the previous leadership election. Anything to make a fast buck :nope:

Considering what appears to have happened last time, I wonder how many Tories are going to register so they can cause as much havoc as they can?

In the meantime, the announcement that Javid is going to set out the new budget on March 11th is causing a few problems for the devolved governments:

UK budget date is 'disrespectful to devolution', says Derek Mackay

Mr Mackay (SNP, MSP for Renfrewshire North and West) is the Scottish Government's Finance Secretary.

The headache is thus:

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Why is the UK budget so important to the Scottish one?

Despite fiscal powers including income tax being devolved to Holyrood, the UK budget process still has a huge bearing on the Scottish one.
To start with, how much the UK government spends on each department has implications for the block grant - the package of funding allocated to Holyrood via the Barnett Formula.
The forecasts of tax revenues from the Office for Budget Responsibility - which come out alongside the budget - also have a bearing on the block grant, as they form part of the calculations underpinning the devolved tax system.
There is also the issue of the gap between the Scottish and UK tax systems - if Mr Javid decided, for example, to cut the higher rate of tax, Mr Mackay would have to decide whether to follow suit, or widen the gulf between what higher earners pay north and south of the border. He contends that he cannot make an informed decision until he has seen the full picture.

What's the process at Holyrood?

Unlike at Westminster, there is actually a hard deadline on the Scottish budget process - the end of the current financial year.
Unless a "rate resolution" setting out income tax rates and bands is passed by 1 April, the devolved income tax system ceases to apply.
The rulebook as it stands doesn't provide for this happening. The Chartered Institute of Taxation says it would see Scotland "effectively foregoing its ability to set its own income tax rates".
There are other practical hurdles too, such as drawing up and passing a Budget Bill. Normally this process stretches out over a period of months, with each Holyrood committee carrying out scrutiny of spending on their particular portfolio and MSPs holding debates in the chamber.
This year, the parliamentary part of the process might have to be pushed through in a matter of days - leaving little time for scrutiny or deal-making between parties.

Depends on what Johnson and Cummings' intentions are on the devolution question. If they're doing this with an eye to collapsing the devolved Income Tax system, they can then make major changes to the nationwide one without causing pain for Scottish tax payers (due to a potential differential caused by SNP policy if Income Tax is still under Holyrood's control) thus hopefully (for them) making Scots more likely to favour Tory policy on tax rather than that of the SNP. This would strengthen the Pro-Union side in the Independence debate, which has always been argued on the basis of finance and the economy.:hmmm:

Or, just as likely, they don't have a clue as to how the devolved financial agreements actually work.

Mike.

I will be quite concerned if this what we end up with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n622hidbZRs

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Brexit: Full UK-EU trade deal 'impossible' by deadline - von der Leyen.

The UK and the EU will remain the "best of friends" but they will "not be as close as before" after Brexit, the new European Commission president says.

Speaking ahead of talks with the PM, Ursula von der Leyen warned it would be "impossible" to reach a comprehensive trade deal by the end of 2020.

She said if the deadline was not extended it was not a case of "all or nothing", but of priorities.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51028614

Watched her speech earlier on tv and have to say I was impressed.