Forgetting Someone, like Al-Quida (i really dont give a **** how its spelled)

Discriminated:
Christains, Jews, USA, Israel, anyone who dosent follow islam

Torturing Camps:
Basements of apartments in which beheadings, torture, dismemberment, ect. occur

Army:
Fanatical psycos who blow-up themselves, blow-up civilians, assasinate political leaders, slaughter Christains, Rape women, slaughter childeren, vow to "wipe Israel off the face of the Earth." should I keep going?


Seceret Police types:
Fanatics with money with power over everything

Leader:
Osama Bin Laden, Iranian "president," wealthy pakastani mountain dwellers

Excuse to start holy war:
Christains/Jews are the devils. Want to spread Islam all over the world.

Makes me (and how many other people) wonder just whoose side you're on.:nope: :stare:

Funny :rotfl:But that about sums it up, sometimes its better to simplify things. "Peace or war, as you choose." , that was the only message the Roman diplomat had, at the start of the second Punic War in 218 BC, to the Carthaginians that had broken a treaty by invading a citystate allied to Rome. The Carhaginians tried to negotiate a new treaty, knowing that Rome was weak financially and militarily stretched out. But Romans realised that it was a decision that would decide their future. So their reply was the same, "Peace or war, as you choose."

I'm on the side of Sweden circa 1978, thats my side.

Now you want to accuse me to collerborate with Radical Islamists...:nope:

I'm on the side of blowing away all radicals. But not all islamists are radical crazy ones, like some of your politicans want to make it look like.

My side is Left Wing. Your side is, i guess, Conservative right wing, like most US Citizens. Perfect setup for a flame war of ideoligys. :shifty:

(Warning: The last sentence was with sarcasm.)

Please show me some kind of proof that Bush has passed the buck.

Please scandium, tell me where the "war on terror" has been completely ineffective...

Hm... Taleban back in Afghanistan, stronger than ever before in the last five years... The country constantly detoriating due to too many broken promises for support, aide and money transfer... more terror globally... more terrorists globally, and in Iraq... Al Quaeda succesfully transformed from an organization to a thinking pattern and motivation that now is carried by every wannabee-martyrer who never had any link to the original organisation... Iraq dismantled of any structures that could have prevented it from falling like a ripe apple to the Shia Iranian mullahs... economical costs in the many thousands of billions if one thinks beyond the immediate military costs... - I think you have asked the wrong question. the right question is: where has the WOT been effective...? We have multiplied our worries, not reduced them. So far exactly the opposite has been acchieved of what was wanted to be acchieved. The world is not safer, but more violant now. but the most important thing is: jihad has been massively accelerated, fueled, additonally motivated, assisted. We have lost time. Islam should payt us to serve it's public relation interests. The last three years we have proven that we are specialists in winning them additonal support and leading new jihad recruits to them. Incompetence, irgnorrance, arrogance, extremely bad planning and worse preparation in advance - stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. WOT is a stupid phrase and thus an adequate description for the symptoms of this giant folly. And it has been waged in a stupid way from the beginning. Terror is just a weapon, we need to strike the ideology and thinking that makes use of it. additonally, military war is an all-or-nothing-at-all thing for me. You only should wage it if you are determined to completely wipe out your enemy and all and everything that supports him and keeps his strength intact - AT ALL COSTS, no matter hoe cruel they are. The Israelis don't understand that anymore. The Americans don't understand that anymore. And the other European nations also do not understand it anymore. We are too soft. we are not grim enough for war, and we are too noble for fighting a war like it needs to be fought. we make to many compromsies - in the name of humanitarianism and love. We love life, Islam loves death. Christian martyrers suffer defensively and passively, Islamic martyrers actively and aggressively kill enemies. We hold our other cheek to the enemy - they cut not the cheek, but the whole head. Christian armies, although superior in weaponry and armour, throughout the centuries had been outclassed in motivation and combat spirit by their Muslims attackers. Our noble attitude - is no match for Islam's lack of scruples. That's why we are loosing. we must stop wanting to change Islam, to make it weaker, it will not work. We must change ourselves, must become stronger, and giving up some of our "civilised" reason and scruples.

And from what source did you see these from?

p.s. but I do agree with you about how the world is getting "soft."

The terrorist fly airplane into buildings, kill 3,000+
We drop bomb on Taliban safehouse, kill 20 civilians. America is now seen as barbarians to the outside world. half the world is now screaming "death to America"

plus many of you are missing a critical factor:
you blame our President,(dictator to The Noob), on everything that the US has done. In REALITY, he is not our ultimite decision maker, like in other countries. EVERYTHING related to this matter is actually passed through the SENATE, which is elected by the PEOPLE. President has little power compared to Senate and Congress. HE (Bush) IS NOT THE US's ULTAMITE DECISION MAKER. ITS THE SENATE, WHO ARE BEURACRATS ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE!

Many of you who live outside the US obviously have no clue about how our country runs. You just follow what your government says, and you accept that as reality. You belive what your government is telling you, while here in the USA, we belive what we feel is right. That is what makes us one of the most powerful in the world. FREEDOM OF SPEECH and the FREEDOM OF PRESS is something some of you apparently don't have in your States, Countries, and Colonies. You are beliveing in lies, whatever you are told to (even if inderectly). STOP BLAMING BUSH AS THE "MASTERMIND" BEHIND ALL OF THIS PRO-USA "TERROR."

-ASWnut

This has been pointed out to them more than once ASWnut.

No one seriously complained when you sturkc Afghnaistan. when people complained abiut Iraq - then maybe this is because there were no terrorists there, and Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11, or Al Quaeda. you should been stayed focussed on Afghanistan, and leave Iraq alone - it was no more a dnager to anyone, Saddam'S teeth had been drawn - he could balk but not bite, plus he had the lack of sacrupels to crack down the religious extremists. But Afghnaistan now is close to falling back into the abyss you have promised them to lift out of. Half of the finacial oney being promised - never arrived. Support went down and down. Stupoid economical mistakes had been made, that forced many farmers to plant poppy again, if they wanted to survive. The military presence was so low that the Taleban were allowed to regroup, and come back - in force. And one of their major supporters, Pakistan, is presented to the public as an "ally".

With all that criticism Amnerica has earned for it's folly in Iraq - it just got what it deserved. when you make stuoid ideas, don'T expect other nations to join you althought hey warned you and told you that it would turn into exactly what you see now. It's your own responsebility. when my friend jumps out of the window, I do not jump behind him in misunderstood solidarity. Instead I try to talk it out of his head in advance and warn him that it is the fifth floor. If he still jumps, and survives, I afterwards tell him that he has behaved like an idiot.

Il simplify if someone didnt get Skybirds post. We have to start killing them in large numbers untill they surrender and do what we demand. And to anyone wondering , the answer is yes, i am ready to personally fight in this war. Are you?:p

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." -- Teddy Roosevelt.

That's a joke right? Afghan was done on the cheap using the Northern Alliance as a proxy on the ground, assisted by a few thousand Spec Forces troops, and NATO Air Power for support; and post-invasion we've maintained a rotating international force of a few thousand troops who've accomplished little more than fight a rear-gaurd action to try and hang onto (barely) our "victory".

And you definitely can't be talking about Iraq, for there is nothing mighty or glorious about a country of 300 million with the world's largest, most technologically advanced, and one of the best trained defeating an already defeated 3rd rate army that has no Air Force, no heavy armour, has less than 1/10th your population which has been reduced, after 2 wars and a decade of sanctions, to nearly 3rd world status and half of whose population was composed of children under the age of 16.

Nothing daring, mighty, or glorious about either of those half-assed easy victories that have since, through sheer incompetence and a complete and total denial of the post-invasion hurdles, have not only gone sour but worsened the very thing that these two campaigns are supposed to be part of a war on.

Yes this may be true AFER Operation I.F., but I'm pretty sure that before Operation I.F., They had the Largest Army in the world, They HAD an Air Force, and they had plenty of tanks....just count the ones blown up in the desert.:) In fact, I think we never had more than 300,000 troops in country (Iraq) at one time.

People who react so angrily to Sending troops in to Iraq or when Israel defended her self, are like crabs you find on humans and are located in one area, where the sun don't shine.

You never hear or find these people, when 100,000s are being slaughtered in the Sudan under the gun of Muslim militias, or in Rwanda where a million were butchered by machetes a few years back.

Is this what you call "pacifists selective protesting"?

I think it's accepted that africans will always butcher each other to the end of time.
As an american, we have our fingers in enough pies so essentially I don't care about Sudan or Rwanda.
We are in Iraq and Israel is tied tight to us so those are the ones I care about.

Christian extremists! :nope: :nope: :nope:

You can't really believe this. It's nonsense and you know it.

Yeah that is quite far fetched. I do not believe you can put Bush in the same boats as third world dictators like Chavez or Bhumibol. He will of course honour the laws and hold an election by late 2008.

Besides the man is very outspoken on his mandate from the people, not Gawd.

He will probably come up with some BS law to try to keep himself in power somehow and state that it's for the "good" of the American people! He'll think any other canidate for the job isn't going to "protect" America from terrorism.

BTW, I will laugh my a-- off when it doesn't happen and a Democrat takes the Whitehouse again and brings home the troops! I will think it's funny because it would be a HUGE slap in Bush's face to see someone else coming in a ruining his BIG plans for world domination and takeover. What will Bush do after that I wonder? Probably go hide under his bed in his jammies at his mommy and daddy's ranch in Texas thinking some terrorist is going to come after him! LOL!!! WHAT A PANSY!!!!:lol: