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Originally Posted by Torplexed (Post 2443351)

I always thought the conspiracy charge was a stretch but how can they possibly be found not guilty of the weapons charges when there is hours of video footage of them toting guns on federal property? :hmmm:

Two words which we have already discussed. :(

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Originally Posted by Torplexed (Post 2443351)

Damn that pesky second amendment.

If you want to know why this kind of thing happens, look at a map sometime, the Federal Gov, owns 75-80% of the land between the Eastern slope of the Rockies and the Pacific Ocean, including mineral, water & grazing rights. The Guys that make the rules live 2500 miles to the east of that land. Is the issue now starting to come into focus a little?

Imagine if they had been unarmed Native Americans instead of heavily armed white men. They'd probably be dead.

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Originally Posted by Two Bears (Post 2443371)

Imagine if they had been unarmed Native Americans instead of heavily armed white men. They'd probably be dead.

There'd have been at least ten Abrams, four Apaches (and not the kind that they'd be used to) and a couple of hundred heavily armed infantry surrounding the place. Easily. :yeah:

Granted I don't know much of the particulars concerning this case. But privately owned firearms are allowed in the National Parks just not in the buildings

Funny thing the government didn't want to build the Keystone pipeline,,, apparently there wasn't enough Indians in the way.

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Originally Posted by Two Bears (Post 2443371)

Imagine if they had been unarmed Native Americans instead of heavily armed white men. They'd probably be dead.

http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/up...7434593681.jpg

So apparently this was not a case of jury nullification (sorry Platapus! :)) but rather the governments use of agent provocateurs.

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The discovery that Killman was an FBI informant hit just before the surprising outcome of the trial of seven refuge occupiers. The revelation may have sounded the death knell for a struggling prosecution, now faced with more questions about how informants may have influenced the case.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-sta...ml#incart_2box

Indictment handed down.

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FBI Agent Charged With Lying About His Role In Shooting An Activist During Oregon Wildlife Standoff

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by Tyler Durden
Jun 29, 2017 12:42 PM

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A grand jury in Portland, Oregon has charged FBI Agent W Joseph Astarita with three counts of making false statements, alleging that he lied when he claimed he did not fire his weapon during the attempted arrest of LaVoy Finicum, a key figure in the Oregon militia standoff at the Malheur national wildlife refuge in 2016.
Astarita, who pleaded not guilty in federal court in Portland, was assigned to arrest the leaders of the Oregon standoff in January 2016 when Finicum drove off the road and into a snowbank, before attempting to flee on foot. During the ensuing confrontation, some of which was captured on film, Oregon state police officers shot and killed Finicum, an Arizona rancher, who police say was reaching for his gun. Police later said the shooting was “justified”.
Here is the press release from the United States Attorney's Office:

The indictment alleges that Astarita knowingly and willfully made false statements to FBI Supervisory Special Agents, knowing that the statements were false and material to the FBI’s decision not to investigate the propriety of an agent-involved shooting. Specifically, Astarita falsely stated he had not fired his weapon during the attempted arrest of Mr. Finicum when he knew he had in fact fired his weapon. Astarita also knowingly engaged in misleading conduct toward Oregon State Police officers by failing to disclose that he had fired two rounds during the attempted arrest.

Astarita was arraigned on June 28, 2017, in Portland. He entered pleas of not guilty to each county and was released pending future appearances.

An indictment is only an accusation of a crime, and a defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

For those who missed it, a portion of Finicum's confrontation with police was caught on film and clearly shows that the first shots were fired while his hands were up in the air...'ironically', no pop stars made a "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" video after this incident.