Don't waste your time...

Sadly having all of them stay permanently ain't an option either if you don't want Europe to destabilize and spiral into chaos that'll brew eventually in yet another conflict where there's a a high possibility that they'll be scapegoated and thrown out or removed by force.

It'll have to be made clear to them their stay in the European countries is only temporary and that once things have calmed down and Daesh is crushed they'll be going back with UN's aid to rebuild their lives.

That would be the solution but it's not going to happen as our politicians don't have the spine for it. The refugees are here to stay with all the problems down the road that that will bring.:/\\!!

Certainly one of the by-products of Indian and Pakistani emigration to the UK from the 1940s to the 1970s was a curry house on every avenue.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...y_3416129b.jpg

Here in the US it's burritos and tacos. And thanks to the influx of Vietnamese refugees you can't swing a dead cat in Washington State without hitting a punny pho shop.

http://i.imgur.com/vdxg6.jpg


So, Germany get ready for kebab and kibbeh in you national diet, if you haven't already.

Never had it, but just by the name, it already sounds five hundred times tastier than haggis. :D

How about:
- Create centralized EU authority do deal with immigrants, with UN overwatch.
- Identify conflict/disaster zones, people from which qualify as refugees.
- Create filtration camps under that authority.
- Dump all illegal immigrants/illegal refugees into those camps.
- In those camps process them and then distribute between EU members per quotas.
- If a person or family are found not to have legitimate reason to seek refuge - deport them.

That's pretty much what people wanted however especially the eastern EU countries and the UK are refusing to accept any kind of refugee quota. So much for the EU handling things together...:shifty:

What I don't comprehend is why the EU doesnot freeze the assets of the Syrian state to pay for the mass exodus and issue a war crimes warrant against any and all parties. I notice none of refugees are headed for Russia which supports...or has supported the Assad regime; PUTIN' an unfair economic strain on Europe!. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%27s_role_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11845635/Vladimir-Putin-confirms-Russian-military-involvement-in-Syrias-civil-war.html http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...t_3429903b.jpgwhat's new pussycat?:nope:

Quote:

"Last week Syrian state television released images showing an advanced Russian-built armoured personnel carrier, the BTR-82a, in combat. Videos have also appeared in which troops engaged in combat appear to shout instructions to one another in Russian.

Quote:

Last week the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth cited western diplomatic sources saying that Russia was on the verge of deploying “thousands” of troops to Syria to establish an airbase from which the Russian air force would fly combat sorties against Isis."

On the EU summit 25/26.06.2015 the EU members despite heavy disputes were able to agree upon a EU distribution key for relocation and resettlement with regard to (back then) 40.000 refugees in Greece and 20.000 in Italy.

A new proposal by the EU commission is to be made soon which will have to pass the vote of the EU Council.

The EU distribution key for refugees you find here, scroll down till chart: http://fluechtlingsforschung.net/eur...egt-sich-doch/


How to read:
First number is the proposed quota by the EU Commission and the second number shows the vote in the European Council, the third number the total number of refugees either to be relocated or resettled for each country.


For Denmark. Ireland and the UK the votes of the EU Council are not binding on the field of asylum policy as per Protokoll 21 and 22 VAEU Ratsbeschlüsse. These EU members are not included when it comes to relocation, but they have volunteered to take part when it comes to resettlement.

Can tell you today our primeminister said

That Denmark would take some of these refugees, even though Denmark is not a part of this EU-asylum system.

Markus

Are we not heading to wards this thread ?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=215404

After have read Aktungbby latest post I start to wonder if we are heading to wards the thread about IS

Or is it me who is wrong.

Markus

Yep, I don't think getting Assad out has much to do with him being the boogyman. I'd wager it has more to with further reducing Russias influence in the region.

200,000 dead and 11 millions refugees later and Assad is still there. If he goes that will leave all rebel groups including ISIS fighting each other for the throne increasing the death and refugee rosters. Power to the people!

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pu...ofeld_5403.jpg




https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.c...orth.jpg?w=728

one thing I dont' get, Syria was 5 years ago a developed Mediteranean country with GDP larger than Slovenia. How does Assad go from running a successefull nation to being moronic enough that a civil war starts :nope:

So right now our best shot of stopping this mess are the Russians which will keep Assad on the throne which is counter productive to solving this mess :doh:

I don't suppose the great Arab Spring had anything to do with it. I mean it worked so well every where else in the ME!:hmmm:

The reason why refugees do not go to Russia is because:
- Russia is far away.
- Russia does not provide much in terms of social security to refugees and/or illegal immigrants.

So pull and push factors wise Russia is not where your generic ME person would run to.

Now, Ukraine is a country with a large territory, agreeable government, fertile land and displacable population. From EU perspective creating those camps right about now in Ukraine (ie outsourcing the issue), by promising EU membership instead (with all refugees quotas) can work I guess.

But you see it is not a war but a counter terrorism operation. Plus agricultural West is not really affected.

When considering things from EU perspective I tend to classify Russian interests secondary to EU interests. Isn't that how this should be done? Plus you miss some points:
- Outsourcing camps to Ukraine would lift responsibility from the EU (provided EU funds them).
- Because those camps would be in Ukraine and you would move refugees families from the EU to their relatives in the camps (not sure if you could legally though) this would lift some of the immigration issues.
- Because they are in Ukraine (and Ukraine is not the least corrupt state of Europe) they would see very little incentive to run to Europe, even with future resettlement quotas to Old EU members promised. This reduces pull factor.
- You could later use this as an excuse to resettle those people locally, with allocation of farmland.

All of the above could be done by promising, not giving the EU status and maybe some minor key investment programs into food/agricultural industry.

Actually I think a Russian invasion would be the only thing to stop the madness in the short term and should be seen as salvation. But our own politicians would start crying again and put up sanctions and whatnot....
I have a very unpopular opinion here in Germany and that is to support Assad. Not because he's a nice guy, he actually is a mass murderer that should be drowned in pig feces but I think all alternatives to him are even worse for Syria and the rest of the world. So I would actually welcome Russian action in Syria.