Already some days, or even 1-2 weeks ago, it was revealed to what degree the victims had been brainwashed and intimidated by the offenders afterward. Some contacted the victims by themselves, others got apprached by them, and in both cases not few of the offenders tried to indoctrinbate them with things like "we are now linked together in the love of Jesus" and "God wanted it" and "What you got gifted by me with is an evidence for the love of God."

Get out the bullwhip.

Yesterday, arch cardinal Meisner, Germany, complained about a pogrom climate against the church, and that it is met with hostility instead respect.

Well. That is rich.

What stuns me time and again is that these slime bags often indeed mean what they say. With a wide, fat grin on their face.

Ekelhaft.

http://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Erzbisch...e10057636.html


Archbishop Mister Müller sees a Pogrom mood/ atmosphere against the Catholic Church in E. and N.A. that has the effect of Clerics get bullied on in certain Regions.

He paints the Catholic Church as victim of [propaganda] attacks that have their roots in nationalism and communism. The net and TV would be used to attack the Church, and directions of these attacks would be totalitary ideologies against Christianity.


Müller thinks that re-debating old points makes no sense.
Critical Lamen demanding female priests and the acceptance of homo marriage - that is an impossible demand for the church to take for church can impossibly accept that.
He also insists on celibacy, because being unmarried represents following jesu example.

Independent of my own Views and Opinions, i think it is safe to say:

-1) Society starts to accept Gay marriage.
Church does not. They stay behind the learning curve.

- 2) Society acceptts that women do as well on a Job as a man. Women are as capable to achieve something as a human with a dick.
Church refuses that idea. They stay behind the learning curve.

- 3) The risk of abuse, the need for sex and all that.... which leads to abuse - he holds on to Priests not being allowed to have any kind of intercourse with women "because Jesus didnt have sex either"
Indirectly promoting, or dare i even say defending the abuse of priests on Children.

- 4) all this is summed up as a war of the media against the church, and oh the poor church, we getting raped by the nonbelievers, the evil humanists, the atheists, nazis, the Commies and the antichrist himself.


How about this, church:
SOCIETY DOES NOT NEED, FEAR, WANT TO FEED YOU ANY LONGER YOU FRICKING RETARDS! WE MOVED BEYOND YOUR SICK RULES

:up:

Just noted that the chief of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Gerhard Ludwig Müller, gets quoted in news today of having complained, too, over the church being "mobbed".

I feel so very sorry for you, dear Sir. My heart cries big tears of heartblood when learning about your suffering and distress.

I'm not a religious guy but I read this and wonder who you think you are speaking for society.

Meh? I am speaking for myself.

1) when i see the changes in local and national, international rules, concerning nations allowing gay marriage

2) when i see women being allowed in the highest positions over all resentments and resistancey by male counterparts in many nations worldwide

THEN i say Society. Of course that mostly encompasses the christianized part of the world.

Nice to see you here. How about you stop thinking?

( i mean that in the sense of "how about you stop poking a stick at me - i know you can not stand me, as i am a liberal socialist commie European... i really do not coare for your presence in this discussion on Catholic transparency, thank you for leaving... me alone")

:D


Hugs.

Then what's with the "we"?

You presume to speak for everyone then you tell us to stop thinking. Illuminating...

Nono. YOU. AUGUST.
not "you, the world"

back to topic, and off the personal bickering...


German humanist Group Vicepresident Fink: It seems grotesk when Müller paints church as a Victim, in the face of decades of worldwide abuse and silencing of Victims. It shows how The roman Church reacts to reconnaissance (elucidation?) and criticism, even today.

that is nicely put. Very diplomatic though. Keeping the tone mild, yet getting to the point.

but then again, the man is right.
OPFER. das sind alles OPFER.:D:haha:

Meh. Why the Church is still around after the inquisition tells me all I need to know.

I'm really hurt and disappointed that you dislike me so much but never fear I can stand you just fine bud.

*headscratch*

You wrote a riddle i can not solve.
Say again please? I didn't understand a word.

HundertzehnGustav beat me by some minutes on the story of Müller.

August, you rethorically asked who he is talking for when Gustav mentions "society". The question is rather whom the church is speaking for, considering the far-reaching special rights and special status it demands, considering formal Catholics are no majority but a minority over here (by a wide margin), and considering the fact that the majority of these followers are in open turnaway and disloyalty towards the church. The question also is why these demands for being given special rights and special status should be justified - both when considering the massive abuse of these powers, and when ignoring it and just considering the conclusion that due to it being the church it shall be seen as something "special" and "privileged". What for...?

Formally, the majority of Germans (and Europeans) is not Catholic. And in Germany and other countries, the majority of these Catholics meet the church with confrontation, desinterest.

I do not like the Protestant church one bit better. It is different, but not better. And in some regards it even is worse and far more underhanded.

So whom does the church, no matter which one, represent in society? Not as many as Gustav speaks for, this much I can promise you.

What i find funny, is... as we are neighbors on a national Level, the same stuff happens here too.
but since we are merely a pixel on the map, it happens on a lesser scale.

Zooming out, and looking all over Europe, i find it good that people turn away from the churches, and seek wisdom and knowledge elsewhere than in Religion only.

reminds me...
On saturday i had an elderly man from "the Whitnesses" at my door.
He rang the bell around the time my GF was sposed to come by.

I didnt wear anything but a towel when i opened.
GF showed up seconds later, saw both of us standing there, and erupted in laughter.

As in Jehovah's?
:har:

You got those there also??

yes!

I once had a set of Women (one young, one elder, bibles at hand and all) at the door . they greeted me with "We bring you the light".

I turned and called inside, (even though there was nobody there)
"Honey, the Lady from the electricity company is here!"

... then shut the door on her noses still standing outside.
They drop by regularly, looking for prey. love them.

Well as you know Sky although I was raised as such (by my German mother) I am no Catholic (much to her chagrin) nor do I belong to any other organized religion but just for the record the only one that speaks for me or mine (which includes a fair number of Germans) is one who has been authorized by us to do so.

Understand that I have no problem with his message, if what you and he say about the Catholic Church is true then maybe your country would indeed be better off if you just outlawed them altogether.

I just was commenting on his implication that he speaks for the rest of society. Is his real name like Angela Merkel or something? :hmm2:

do i look like a frikking german?:har:

Outlawing churches may be a bit harsh.
removing their extras in the sense of cash and rules, mechanisms, privileges is a more reasonable step i think.

I imagine you Luxembourgers look a lot like Germans, a third of your country are German by blood no?

I guess that depends on what you mean by that and if how far it would go. Remember Germany did that to another religion not too long ago and at the time it was also considered "a reasonable step". Beware Friend.

I have a "No Jahovah's!" sign on my front door.
Now I don't really care what you believe.
But what I believe is I don't want ANYONE at my front door with anything to sell.
Let alone a belief system in anything.
I'd prefer an Amway dude knock on my door.
:haha:

Is it really that often you folks get bothered over there? Over here no holy roller has knocked on my door in at least a decade and that's in urban, suburban and rural locations in three different states. I'm not claiming that's representative but I haven't been hiding from them either.

They just aren't very numerous over here apparently, at least in New England.