Thats why I dont understand why Ubi and other game devs dont do MORE CLOSED beta tests (with Non-Disclosure Agreements). I mean someone like Neal, and other Snr. members (Kpt. Lehman) have 1) PROVEN they can keep a secret 2) have A LOT to loose if they dont. 3) PROVEN they LOVE the subsim community.

I mean a lot of the heavy duty SH3 modders (GWX, NYGM, RuB) also know how to beta test and report faults...

you must be the one joking if you think its a fair to compare sh3 with gwx (a mod that took years to get sh3 working to the point its at)

to a stock unmodded version of sh4 :06:

i get so sick of hearing this whining that sh4 isnt as good as sh3 when in many ways it is better and in many ways different but its not supposed to be a new sh3 so dont expect it to be.

if you want to compare then compare a stock unmodded version of sh3 without gwx to a stock unmodded version of sh4, then tell me how great sh3 is without having gwx to fix everything for you.

also sh3 will never feel the same as sh4 because they are different strategy, different theaters, and different atmosphere, so it shouldnt feel like they are the same because they arent supposed to be.


ps = when you get reassigned the same patrol its because you didnt complete the mission in the time or place as you were instructed to do so you are sent back to complete the mission and "follow your orders" this time.

Well, Im sorry to disappoint, but Im not going to buy this game.

I dont like sub sims.

So what the hell are you doing here. :o

Wait...

This is not a flight sim forum???

oh crap... :damn:

I'll buy SHV as it gets released.

If it is bugged, I'll take my time to get familiar with keys, commands and settings of the game ...till the first patch.

( how to do this, how to perform that...etc )

Real fun in sim is - when you reach automatic level of playing skills.

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Anyway, in this said period of "exterminated" serious sims for PC - it will be holiday for me!

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Stop that teasing Philipp!!:nope::03:

I'll be buying SHV when it is released, since I'm building a machine specifically for it. From there, with any luck patches will appear rapidly where bugs etc. are discovered so I'm hoping for some good beta work.

I'd urge Ubi not to rush though, I'd rather the date slip a bit if we get a better quality product.

@jscones

it may have sounded like i was trying to say sh4 is better than sh3 and i guess i did but i love sh3 as well and just like i said about sh4, sh3 is better than sh4 in many ways too, i love both games equally but the thing i felt i had to respond to was this idea that sh3 IS gwx.

while most will agree gwx is what makes sh3 so good, i often play it stock just like i play sh4 stock so i know both stock games and the flaws of each very well. i would bet he never tried or even knows about the TMO or RFB supermods because of his comments.

comparing stock sh4 to sh3 with gwx is like comparing a bycicle to a bicycle with a car pulling it, which is totally unfair and uncomparable.

Did I say I was comparing SH4 to GWX? No I did not, please read posts before misquoting and going off half-cocked...I was just saying I went back to GWX because of the bugs in SH4 that were totally obvious and game breakers for me. Would I not have upset you as much if I said I went to playing Madden 08, or MS flightsim and uninstalled SH4 (actually that might have been true as I have more than one game on my HDD).

Also YOU MADE MY POINT for me that UBI does not finish what they start. The quote I used was from a poster that said "Ubisoft will take care of us" when in fact we know they left BOTH SH3 vanilla and SH4 with huge bugs. You even admit it by saying "then tell me how great sh3 is without having gwx to fix everything for you". Which means by your own admission SH3 WAS BROKE and never fixed until GWX came about. So your saying the same thing I did that "UBI does not take care of us"....Right?

As far as your comment on patrols being reassigned... maybe that was fixed with the release/patch containing the Uboats. I never bought that after the last FREE download patch because I thought why bother if they didnt fix the stock SH4. And shame on Ubi if they had a further SH4 patch contained in Uboat add on. Why should I have to PAY for a patch (actually I would have PAID for a patch to SH3 and 4 if Ubi FIXED all the gross errors.. again example from SH3 the XXI batteries taking forever to recharge).

Furthermore...I DID get "Mission complete" messages EVERY TIME I played SH4, I would return to port (sailing the whole way) and would still get the same mission over and over. So if I was doing something wrong and still getting "Mission complete" I would say that is a bug eh...

Back to my main point 1) it should NEVER be up to the Mod community to fix UBI's or any other game publishers lack of QA and giving devs long enough to finish a project. This is somethig it seems UBI is serious about fixing, and if they do the GOOD FOR THEM...they will be the first in the PC game industry to not only admit they have fallen down on QA, but would make the the FIRST to do something about it 2) I will STILL pre-purchase SH 5 only to support the devs in HOPE that UBI will get enough pre-purchase money this time to allow the Devs to finish the project. Although I must say I feel like Im being taken advantage of by my own choice here after being burned.

To me it seemed in INFERRED that I was comparing SH3 w/GWX to SH4 and I was not. You are correct that you cant compare the two. In fact you cant compare SH3 to SH4. My main point was UBI does NOT take care of us (in giving us a near bug free sim even after multiple patches).

And "i would bet he never tried or even knows about the TMO or RFB supermods". Yes I knew there were out there (early releases last I looked at them), but by then SH4 was removed from my HDD and I was enjoying myself with GWX (and other games, sims) and never had the time to try these out. I may give them a go now, for something to hold me over until SH5. But now it seems you want to compare a moded SH4 with the vanilla SH4, and according to your logic we are not supposed to do that.

ok, it was a missunderstanding then.

i am sorry if i offended you but there are many who have driven me crazy with the very arguement that sh4 isnt as good as sh3 with gwx and then say they havent tried any sh4 mods yet because its not worth trying. i just want to blow a gasket when they compare something totally uncomparable like that.

in my opinion both sh3 and sh4 are equal for things fixed and not fixed so after each has its last patch 1.4 then they both have about the same amount of bugs, glitches, and inaccuracy in the games that mods are needed to address.

i left out v1.5 because it has to be bought seperately which i never liked but it was more of a tune up for the game engine than any legitimate fixes in it.

i dont want to compare gwx to tmo or rfb because any comment will have someones favorite feel slighted by not having top billing but i'll say this:

if you try sh4 with tmo or rfb mods then you will find they are very good mods on par with gwx. i would say each has its own elements to fit someones tastes better but all 3 are tied as equal quality, effort, and scope, in my mind

in the end its a personal choice thing, if you like ford better than chevy, do you like u-boats or fleet boats, are you a demacrat or republican, liberal or conservative.

for many people the deciding factor is less about the game and more about the theater your game operates in.

no arguement there, i totally agree with you. i think everyone does, including the devs.

No worries :DL I totally agree you shouldnt compare SH3 to SH4 (as far as game play) or even mod to mod really. They all have pluses and minuses.

The main reason why I havent tried TMO or RFB for SH4 is I didnt want to buy 1.5. But I may just to try these as an intermission into SH5.

I did like where they were headed with SH 4. The graphics (aside from the fog causing "invisible man" effexts) were very nice. Gameplay was pretty good. I will try and load up SH4 vanilla again with patch 1.4 to see if maybe I missed something as far as the repeating missions.. but Im pretty sure I even unloaded and reloaded SH4 and patched and had the same result.

Anywho... no offense taken mate. There are too few of us hardcore subsimmers out there to be offended by one another :up: