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Platapus 04-14-09 09:55 AM

Perhaps the leaders of the world need to dust off the works of Alfred Mahan, Julian Corbett, and John and Philip Colomb. They weren't writing fiction back then :nope:

MothBalls 04-14-09 03:49 PM

So which is going to come first? The big screen version or will it go straight to a made-for-tv movie. Only problem is most action movies only have one hero, Arnold, Sly, Claude, Chuck, Steven, none of the big names would share top billing.

I think that in the movie version the three seals should be played by Sailor Steve, Jimbuna, and commanded by Neal. KP could play the rescued captain. Just have to come up with a title.

death5089 04-14-09 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max2147 (Post 1083446)
No, what's robbery to us is also robbery to them. You make Somalis sound like a bunch of savages who have no sense of right and wrong. That's not true. Their way of life may be different than ours, but that doesn't mean that they're completely devoid of morals.

You're trying to defend the pirates here, but you're even more racist than those who are calling the pirates scum.

I am not rascist at all. My family is from Afghanistan and Pakistan, two of the most tribal places in world. Our society is one of revenge and those men and boys have no choice but to steal for survival. We are talking about a place where people still have to hunt to survive. They are like viking raiders and yet everyone treats them like they are the bad guys. I am not saying that everyone there is without morals but i understand why these men are pirates in one of the poorest countries in the world. Do not condemn them, they have experienced more turmoil than anybody else.

Max2147 04-14-09 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by death5089 (Post 1084049)
I am not rascist at all. My family is from Afghanistan and Pakistan, two of the most tribal places in world. Our society is one of revenge and those men and boys have no choice but to steal for survival. We are talking about a place where people still have to hunt to survive. They are like viking raiders and yet everyone treats them like they are the bad guys. I am not saying that everyone there is without morals but i understand why these men are pirates in one of the poorest countries in the world. Do not condemn them, they have experienced more turmoil than anybody else.

I've lived with Pakistanis. Their society isn't, tribal, it isn't based on revenge, and they never stole a thing from me. They were good, honest, civilized people that I'm still good friends with.

Just because somebody's had a tough life doesn't mean we can't condemn then when they commit crimes. These pirates don't steal to survive, they steal to get rich. They have a very luxurious lifestyle.

Saying that a society is based on theft, revenge, and murder is very racist indeed, even if you don't intend to be racist. It's even more racist because it's completely false. The vast majority of Afghans/Pakistanis/Somalis are honest, moral people who think that murder and theft are horrible things.

Jimbuna 04-14-09 04:48 PM

Fun facts about Somali pirates.

1) Being Muslim, they aren't allowed to drink rum.

2) They say "Allah hu Akbarrrr Jimlad"

3) They are secretly led by Abu Hamza. The hook hand is a dead giveaway.

4) Their girlfriends are as skinny as Keira Knightley. They put it down to the local Famine Diet.

5) They're currently embroiled in a fight to the death with the Ethiopian Ninjas.

6) None of them are in the Caribbean. But if their great-great-grandfathers hadn't been so good at hide-from-whitey, they might be.

JALU3 04-14-09 08:53 PM

News Update: US Flagged ship M/V Liberty Sun has been attacked, but have escaped an attempted pirate attack. The ships is now presently being escorted by a Coalition vessel.

http://www.libertymar.com/images/lmc002.jpg

Press Release from Liberty Maritime (the company that operates the vessel)
CNN
ABC News

Again, another ship that was attempting to bring aid to those in need. You would think that they would learn, or were they attempting to make a point that US Merchant Mariners are no longer safe? Thankfully we won't know. Furthermore, thankfully they aren't more organized.

So what about that Marine detachment idea? What about providing logistics support to IGASOM?

Onkel Neal 04-14-09 11:48 PM

You know what's really sad? Some of these ships are carrying food aid to feed these people. And they attack them. :nope:

Letum 04-15-09 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1084262)
You know what's really sad? Some of these ships are carrying food aid to feed these people. And they attack them.

In their defence, I very much doubt they know about that and 'carrying food
aid' might mean one container of food amongst 100 containers.

That said, I doubt it would stop them attacking if it was packed full of aid and
they knew that. Who can say.

Onkel Neal 04-15-09 09:07 AM

Some interesting details about Navy SEAL sniper training.

I didn't know this was considered an "easy" shot for them :o Zounds!

SteamWake 04-15-09 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1084400)
Some interesting details about Navy SEAL sniper training.

I didn't know this was considered an "easy" shot for them :o Zounds!

Yea they practice this kind of thing (sniper fire off a rolling deck) quite a bit.

Everyone was saying 'miraculous shot' ... for me it would be a miracle, for them its nothing new.

Onkel Neal 04-15-09 03:14 PM

US unveils plan to tackle piracy

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The US four-point plan includes sending an envoy to the Somali donors' conference in Brussels on 23 April to work on plans to improve the situation in Somalia.
She said the US would work with the Contact Group on Piracy Off the Coast of Somalia (CGPCS) to expand the multinational response to piracy.
She called for states to take responsibility for prosecuting and imprisoning captured pirates.

"These pirates are criminals, they are armed gangs on the sea, and those plotting attacks must be stopped." She called for continued work releasing captured vessels, as several ships and their crews remain in the hands of pirates.

On Wednesday the Greek maritime ministry announced that a Greek cargo ship and its 24 crew, held by pirates since mid-March, had been released.
She also said the international group had to consider ways to track and freeze pirate assets.
"It is time to eliminate the financial payoff of piracy," she told reporters.
In other words, nothing. :arrgh!:

nikimcbee 04-15-09 03:20 PM

I think we should form our own subsim special ops group. You know what they say, if you want the job done right, do it yourself.:yeah:

I'll just put this in there for fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIfuaUTH9Y4
...if you can find them, maybe they can help.
(did you look in the GT forum?):haha:

Jimbuna 04-15-09 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1084591)
US unveils plan to tackle piracy



In other words, nothing. :arrgh!:

I reckon my Q Ship and SpySat mods would be of more benefit to the solution :doh:

Tribesman 04-15-09 05:54 PM

Quote:

In other words, nothing.
In other words carrying on with the work stated by the last administration .

geetrue 04-16-09 08:17 PM

Perhaps the pirates have advanced knowledge of what ship is headed to neighboring Kenya with food aid and the head pirate passes it on to the mother ship which in turn tells the teenage pirates to take this one or that one ...

Two US flag ships in a row within a week , both with food aid leads me to wonder :arrgh!:

Skybird 04-17-09 05:42 AM

According to an internal expert by the conservative CSU, a defense state secretary and the speaker of the Bundeswehrverband, the German government has now decided that the German navy from now on should be allowed to take off the gloves and use board weapons to supress piracy with all needed means and even target and sink pirate vessels. All three voiced concern that so far the german navy had made itself ridiculous. the Bundeswehrverband even said that we cannot avoid to target motherships and dstroy them, and landing on captured ships and free them by the use of armed force, since the pirates are now operating like an economic enterprise, using ransom to invest in better weapons and increasing their operational area. calls for an international tribunal are rejected, since it would take years to even just install that.

News source: Die Welt, Neue Osnabrücker Nachrichten.
German language: http://www.welt.de/politik/article35...versenken.html

It seems the French and Americans finally set a new pace, which I welcome.

But we have an national election year over here, and the great coalition already has fallen apart long time ago. If the SPD can see a chance to make profit from attacking this decision, it will.

So, I believe in Germans sinking pirate ships when I see it.

Onkel Neal 04-19-09 06:22 PM

Insanity:
Quote:

The pirates were detained, but allowed to go free after questioning.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/04/19/pirate.attack.foiled/index.html

sunvalleyslim 04-19-09 10:42 PM

Ok Neal.
Iit's time SubSim starts its own Maritime Security System. We can start our own Security Company that will aid the ships. We will deploy Our Security Team to stand watch on the Ships. Hey if we can spot a smoke trail at 15 miles, we can find pirates. We bring aboard each ship besides our Security team, 2- 20mm cannons and 4 .50 cal machine guns, well placed aboard. With night vision we scan the seas. Any vessel that comes within 2 times the distance of an RPG is fair game. One warning shot, if they don't turn away, it's History........Just waiting to know how much we should charge for our "Security" What do you guys think is a fair price? Let me know..........:rock::rock:

UnderseaLcpl 04-20-09 01:54 AM

@sunvalleyslim

That is the most awesome idea ever! It's almost totally unfeasible, but I'd quit my job to work for subsim security in a heartbeat.
You might want to reconsider the 20 mike-mikes, though. In addition to being very hard to port around, they generally require more than one crewman. That would increase manpower costs, thus increasing our rates. The .50 cals would have more than enough firepower, anyways. We could probably skip the RPGs as well and just use frag grenades. Other than that, all we'd need would be automatic small arms.

Unfortunately, it's hard to come up with a price for such services without a rough estimate of overhead costs. I've come up with a ballpark figure of $1.50 per head, per mile as a conservative minimum estimate for labor costs. It works out to about $30 an hour for the employee. For additional overhead costs, I'd recommend an initial charge that varies depending upon the port in which the service originates, the method of personnel delivery/extraction, and the port in which the service terminates.
If based in the U.S., we might even qualify for subsidies that could offset some costs.

Sadly, we have two major obstacles right off the bat. The first is the red-tape navigation that such ventures require. The second is the fact that state anti-pirate patrols in affected waters would surely dissuade our customer base from utilizing our services. Why buy something when you (or someone else) has already paid for it? This complication is exacerbated by the fact that ships and cargoes tend to be insured.

Basically, the first thing we would have to do is raise funding to lobby Congress to make this thing feasible in the first place, in addition to accquiring the neccessary licensures and permits. Then we'd have to repeat the process in every country we operated out of, not an easy thing for a mercenary company.
Unless we have some independently wealthy members who have political clout and a willingness to invest, we'd likely be bankrupt before we ever contracted our first client.

I still think it would be an awesome idea, but we have some major hurdles first.

Happy Times 04-20-09 04:40 AM

Quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by death5089
I am not rascist at all. My family is from Afghanistan and Pakistan, two of the most tribal places in world. Our society is one of revenge and those men and boys have no choice but to steal for survival. We are talking about a place where people still have to hunt to survive. They are like viking raiders and yet everyone treats them like they are the bad guys. I am not saying that everyone there is without morals but i understand why these men are pirates in one of the poorest countries in the world. Do not condemn them, they have experienced more turmoil than anybody else.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max2147 (Post 1084057)
I've lived with Pakistanis. Their society isn't, tribal, it isn't based on revenge, and they never stole a thing from me. They were good, honest, civilized people that I'm still good friends with.

Just because somebody's had a tough life doesn't mean we can't condemn then when they commit crimes. These pirates don't steal to survive, they steal to get rich. They have a very luxurious lifestyle.

Saying that a society is based on theft, revenge, and murder is very racist indeed, even if you don't intend to be racist. It's even more racist because it's completely false. The vast majority of Afghans/Pakistanis/Somalis are honest, moral people who think that murder and theft are horrible things.

Its funny how you want to believe your false perception is true.
Someone that has born in the culture says its tribal and you shrug it of like its nothing.

Regardles of where you might have lived the vast majority of Afghans/Pakistanis/Somalis are tribal.
So are Saudis and Qataris etc, nothing to do with wealth or even education, its the culture.


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