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Digital_Trucker 10-24-08 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Diopos
Mmm... He was not born! :know:

:rotfl:Good one.

I've not seen any documentation on it, but I understand that Obama's grandmother (the mother of his biological father) in Kenya has stated repeatedly that she was there in the delivery room when Barry was born in Kenya.

joegrundman 10-24-08 11:26 AM

So is it the case that if you are born a US citizen overseas, you cannot be president?

Digital_Trucker 10-24-08 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman
So is it the case that if you are born a US citizen overseas, you cannot be president?

In this case, since only one of the parents was an American citizen, if he was born in Kenya then he would not be a natural born citizen and would not be able to run for President. There's also the question of whether he gave up his American citizenship when he was enrolled in school in Indonesia, listed as an Indonesian citizen and aquired an Indonesian passport (which he used to travel to countries that US citizens were not allowed to travel to at the time when he was in his 20s).

A child born, for instance, on a military base overseas to parents who are both American citizens and are there at the orders of the US military is considered a natural born US citizen.

AVGWarhawk 10-24-08 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker
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Originally Posted by joegrundman
So is it the case that if you are born a US citizen overseas, you cannot be president?

In this case, since only one of the parents was an American citizen, if he was born in Kenya then he would not be a natural born citizen and would not be able to run for President. There's also the question of whether he gave up his American citizenship when he was enrolled in school in Indonesia, listed as an Indonesian citizen and aquired an Indonesian passport (which he used to travel to countries that US citizens were not allowed to travel to at the time when he was in his 20s).

A child born, for instance, on a military base overseas to parents who are both American citizens and are there at the orders of the US military is considered a natural born US citizen.



Meh.........we are just going to give this a bye like everything else Obama has received.

I now go check my air pressure on my car as the part of the Obama energy plan:up:

joegrundman 10-24-08 11:37 AM

So if you are born abroad with one american parent and immediately registered at birth as a US citizen you are not a natural born american - this is the case, right?

What's the issue with dual nationality - you don't allow it, or something? I know lots of people with dual nationality; US and something else- i was talking to one just this evening.

Even the mayor of London has dual US/British nationality (or at least he did)

AVGWarhawk 10-24-08 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman
So if you are born abroad with one american parent and immediately registered at birth as a US citizen you are not a natural born american - this is the case, right?

What's the issue with dual nationality - you don't allow it, or something? I know lots of people with dual nationality; US and something else- i was talking to one just this evening.

Even the mayor of London has dual US/British nationality (or at least he did)

Honestly, I think this is a none issue. 18 months have past and nothing to hang a hat on. But, for clarification, I would like to know what the rules are.

Digital_Trucker 10-24-08 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman
So if you are born abroad with one american parent and immediately registered at birth as a US citizen you are not a natural born american - this is the case, right?

What's the issue with dual nationality - you don't allow it, or something? I know lots of people with dual nationality; US and something else- i was talking to one just this evening.

Even the mayor of London has dual US/British nationality (or at least he did)

The problem is that his mother registered him as if he had been born in the US. If he wasn't born in the US, he's not a natural born citizen (as I understand it). It's not that he's not allowed to be a US citizen if he's born elsewhere, it's only the President that has to be a natural born US citizien. A person born practically anywhere can become a naturalized citizen and hold government posts (ie Arnold Schwarzenneger), but they just can't be President (without an amendment to the Constitution).

As for the dual citizenship, Indonesia didn't allow for dual citizenship at the time, so he would have had to denounce his American citizenship. In order to regain it, he would have had to be re-naturalized, and there is no evidence that he did this (to date).

1480 10-24-08 01:06 PM

DT is correct, but I wanted to add, the law back then was if the mother was a citizen and 19 years old, the child born outside of the US would automatically be a citizen. She was only 18 I believe, which is also part of Berg's original complaint.

Digital_Trucker 10-24-08 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 1480
DT is correct, but I wanted to add, the law back then was if the mother was a citizen and 19 years old, the child born outside of the US would automatically be a citizen. She was only 18 I believe, which is also part of Berg's original complaint.

Yep, thanks for the reminder on that, I had forgotten about that part.:up:

Jimbuna 10-24-08 01:52 PM

So what is the bottom line here?

Is he a foreigner or a US citizen entitled to be the President of the US if so elected ? :hmm:

August 10-24-08 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna
So what is the bottom line here?

Is he a foreigner or a US citizen entitled to be the President of the US if so elected ? :hmm:

So far he has avoided answering the question.

Jimbuna 10-24-08 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by jimbuna
So what is the bottom line here?

Is he a foreigner or a US citizen entitled to be the President of the US if so elected ? :hmm:

So far he has avoided answering the question.

Oh right.....so surely there is a protocol in place for checking the legitimacy of candidates before they can stand for such a prestigious office :hmm:

Stealth Hunter 10-24-08 02:54 PM

Great video by Thunderf00t:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuwr0TY6-qQ

MothBalls 10-24-08 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57
Getting a birth certificate is easy to do. If he cannot or will not there is only one reason why...

The records were destroyed when his home planet [Krypton] blew up.

AVGWarhawk 10-24-08 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
Great video by Thunderf00t:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuwr0TY6-qQ

May I ask what is so great about it?

Digital_Trucker 10-24-08 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna
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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by jimbuna
So what is the bottom line here?

Is he a foreigner or a US citizen entitled to be the President of the US if so elected ? :hmm:

So far he has avoided answering the question.

Oh right.....so surely there is a protocol in place for checking the legitimacy of candidates before they can stand for such a prestigious office :hmm:

You would think so but strange things happen. We're in kind of unknown territory here since Obama's birthplace is in question. Normally a candidate can supply a real birth certificate (not a Certificate of Live Birth).

Stealth Hunter 10-24-08 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
Great video by Thunderf00t:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuwr0TY6-qQ

May I ask what is so great about it?

The things those people claimed. Epic win. I think the last one was the best.:rotfl:

Jimbuna 10-24-08 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker
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Originally Posted by jimbuna
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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by jimbuna
So what is the bottom line here?

Is he a foreigner or a US citizen entitled to be the President of the US if so elected ? :hmm:

So far he has avoided answering the question.

Oh right.....so surely there is a protocol in place for checking the legitimacy of candidates before they can stand for such a prestigious office :hmm:

You would think so but strange things happen. We're in kind of unknown territory here since Obama's birthplace is in question. Normally a candidate can supply a real birth certificate (not a Certificate of Live Birth).

Rgr that....this lobsterback is beginning to understand the situation now http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

Digital_Trucker 10-24-08 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
Great video by Thunderf00t:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuwr0TY6-qQ

May I ask what is so great about it?

The things those people claimed. Epic win. I think the last one was the best.:rotfl:

You could just as easily make a video of Obama supporters and out of contect clips of Obama and Biden. It proves nothing, except that the maker of the video and the poster of the link are Obama supporters.

1480 10-24-08 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna
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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker
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Originally Posted by jimbuna
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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by jimbuna
So what is the bottom line here?

Is he a foreigner or a US citizen entitled to be the President of the US if so elected ? :hmm:

So far he has avoided answering the question.

Oh right.....so surely there is a protocol in place for checking the legitimacy of candidates before they can stand for such a prestigious office :hmm:

You would think so but strange things happen. We're in kind of unknown territory here since Obama's birthplace is in question. Normally a candidate can supply a real birth certificate (not a Certificate of Live Birth).

Rgr that....this lobsterback is beginning to understand the situation now http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

I believe the national parties who put someone on the ballot for POTUS are responsible for checking into matters as such. A little bit of rumor I'm hearing as of late, BHO may have more to worry about than where he was born....


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