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nelson1985 02-05-07 04:38 PM
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METAL MELTS AT 2600 F normal open air fires cannot burn that hot only explosives/thermite can melt steel PLZ WATCH THE VIDEO ASWnut 101
melting point proof:http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html
JET A-1
Flash point: 38 °C
Autoignition temperature: 210 °C
Freezing point: -47 °C (-40 °C for JET A)
Open air burning temperatures: 260-315 °C (500-599 °F)
Maximum burning temperature: 980 °C (1796 °F)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12003&hl=en-GB and it will explain the fires and the metal and fuel an impacts
Ok, so you're suggesting that a bunch of men, carring countless sacks of thermite grenades and charges somehow snuck into the core of the building, placed them on over 110 floors of building, and timed it perfectly with a terrorist suicide attack on them, without EVER being caught on video tape from the numerous security cameras throughout the building, not to mention the security force there.:hmm:
do you know what happen in the last weeks of 911 i think one of the posters says something about that :lol:

nelson1985 02-05-07 04:40 PM
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no, it only had one of the big towers fall on it:roll:
oh like building 5 and 6 and yet they did not fall and they was under towers 1 and 2 LOL:yep:

ASWnut101 02-05-07 04:41 PM
I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"

I've also noticed that when we are discussing, say the pentagon strike, that midway through the discussion either one of them comes and switches to the other building. (ie. me, wastegate and nelson are discussing the pentagon when elite_hunter starts up agian about the WTC). Why is this?:hmm:

02-05-07 04:42 PM
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ok if you want to see hard concrete evidence of the conspiracy watch this whole video (mostly WTC) if they had the balls to bring down 2 110 stories towers of steel and concrete they can do that to the pentagon

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12003&hl=en-GB

watch the entire video if you want proof of what happened.
I will take your vid on face value that it was a conspiracy to bring down WTC and attack the pentagon.

I have only one question. Who/whom is responsible.
that unfortunately is very hard to solve. a few reasons,
to do this type of attack and bring down the WTC you need military grade explosives to bring down those towers, you needed to have to place those bombs/explosives inside the building,

most solutions point to the US government because they used 9/11 as an excuse totake on afghanistan and Iraq, they have Uk in europe so they needed a country to control in middle east because they had europe(UK) and asia (south korea, japan) covered. some solutions point out to the israeli government for orchestrating the attack because they wanted more land in the middle east and wanted the americans to do their battles for them,

some say it was china
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...4/143618.shtml
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25680

personally i think america either worked with israeli government OR the israelies used the american government while the americans think they are doing a good thing. the thing is they thought they got away with 9/11 (which they made most people believe their story) but they didnt get away with iraq they are losing in iraq and its becoming next vietnam, they got away with 9/11 and now bush career and reputation is ruined beause of israels plan to get more land /use US as patsy in the middle east.

BUT the isralies might not be involved, it could only be the US until someone digs up all the truth (which might never happened) who knows.
As I recall Bin Laden and his associates took reponsibility/credit for the 9/11 attacks. Why would an individual who had some political power,albiet in a third world country, admit to an act such as this against the United States?
keep in mind that US helped Bin laden during soviet invasion of afghanistan, bin laden family had major economic power in saudi arabia and states, and since the americans helped him he owed them something, if america wanted bin laden caught he would already been caught a long time ago, but looky now hes still alive and kickin it. they got al zarqawi in iraq because they wanted to catch him to keep morale up. y isnt bin laden caught instead they go for some other lower level leader in iraq.
I respect your answer and it is one plauseable answer. Are we talking about multiple US Congreses and Presidential administrations going back to 1979?

nelson1985 02-05-07 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ASWnut101
I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"

I've also noticed that when we are discussing, say the pentagon strike, that midway through the discussion either one of them comes and switches to the other building. (ie. me, wastegate and nelson are discussing the pentagon when elite_hunter starts up agian about the WTC). Why is this?:hmm:
as to who did it i dont know maybe it was the cia or the kgb or the world bankers or maybe it was you thats something we might nerver find out.

ASWnut101 02-05-07 04:46 PM
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no, it only had one of the big towers fall on it:roll:
oh like building 5 and 6 and yet they did not fall and they was under towers 1 and 2 LOL:yep:
Look how big Building 7 was compared to 5 and 6. through simple experiments, you will find that smaller objects are harder to damage/crush than the bigger ones.

go in your back yard or near any tree, and grab a small stick or large twig, about 10 inches in length. break it in half. see how easy that was? Now, go find one about 1 inch in length. see how much more force you need to break it? same effect, though not proportional.:know:

ASWnut101 02-05-07 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ASWnut101
I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"

I've also noticed that when we are discussing, say the pentagon strike, that midway through the discussion either one of them comes and switches to the other building. (ie. me, wastegate and nelson are discussing the pentagon when elite_hunter starts up agian about the WTC). Why is this?:hmm:
as to who did it i dont know maybe it was the cia or the kgb or the world bankers or maybe it was you thats something we might nerver find out.
Why not?

nelson1985 02-05-07 04:48 PM
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no, it only had one of the big towers fall on it:roll:
oh like building 5 and 6 and yet they did not fall and they was under towers 1 and 2 LOL:yep:
Look how big Building 7 was compared to 5 and 6. through simple experiments, you will find that smaller objects are harder to damage/crush than the bigger ones.

go in your back yard or near any tree, and grab a small stick or large twig, about 10 inches in length. break it in half. see how easy that was? Now, go find one about 1 inch in length. see how much more force you need to break it? same effect, though not proportional.:know:
so what do you think made it fall fires?:know:

nelson1985 02-05-07 04:50 PM
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I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"

I've also noticed that when we are discussing, say the pentagon strike, that midway through the discussion either one of them comes and switches to the other building. (ie. me, wastegate and nelson are discussing the pentagon when elite_hunter starts up agian about the WTC). Why is this?:hmm:
as to who did it i dont know maybe it was the cia or the kgb or the world bankers or maybe it was you thats something we might nerver find out.
Why not?
maybe if we wait like 30 years when most people forget about 911 we are going to see it in a doc in the history channel:)

ASWnut101 02-05-07 04:53 PM
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no, it only had one of the big towers fall on it:roll:
oh like building 5 and 6 and yet they did not fall and they was under towers 1 and 2 LOL:yep:
Look how big Building 7 was compared to 5 and 6. through simple experiments, you will find that smaller objects are harder to damage/crush than the bigger ones.

go in your back yard or near any tree, and grab a small stick or large twig, about 10 inches in length. break it in half. see how easy that was? Now, go find one about 1 inch in length. see how much more force you need to break it? same effect, though not proportional.:know:
so what do you think made it fall fires?:know:
As i just said, the big WTC buildings. Rubble.

ASWnut101 02-05-07 04:54 PM
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I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"

I've also noticed that when we are discussing, say the pentagon strike, that midway through the discussion either one of them comes and switches to the other building. (ie. me, wastegate and nelson are discussing the pentagon when elite_hunter starts up agian about the WTC). Why is this?:hmm:
as to who did it i dont know maybe it was the cia or the kgb or the world bankers or maybe it was you thats something we might nerver find out.
Why not?
maybe if we wait like 30 years when most people forget about 911 we are going to see it in a doc in the history channel:)
You still didn't answer it. You've done that with about all of the questions asked to you.

Tchocky 02-05-07 04:54 PM
I think that we're not being told the whole story, but that Al-Qaeda were responsible for the attacks....
I don't fully believe most high-level statements, anyone in the establishment long enough to become president/VP/SecDef/SecState has lost something along the way.

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I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"
Oh c'mon, do you really expect anyone to know? And if they did, would they post it here first?

ASWnut101 02-05-07 04:59 PM
what's there to be told? Were you in Europe or in the U.S.A. when the attacks happened? How am I not being told the "true" story when I wake up, turn on the tube, and see an airplane crash into the WTC? Why is it that OBL announced he caused the attacks the VERY SAME DAY?

nelson1985 02-05-07 04:59 PM
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no, it only had one of the big towers fall on it:roll:
oh like building 5 and 6 and yet they did not fall and they was under towers 1 and 2 LOL:yep:
Look how big Building 7 was compared to 5 and 6. through simple experiments, you will find that smaller objects are harder to damage/crush than the bigger ones.

go in your back yard or near any tree, and grab a small stick or large twig, about 10 inches in length. break it in half. see how easy that was? Now, go find one about 1 inch in length. see how much more force you need to break it? same effect, though not proportional.:know:
so what do you think made it fall fires?:know:
:lol:
As i just said, the big WTC buildings. Rubble.
you mean structural damage?

ASWnut101 02-05-07 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
I think that we're not being told the whole story, but that Al-Qaeda were responsible for the attacks....
I don't fully believe most high-level statements, anyone in the establishment long enough to become president/VP/SecDef/SecState has lost something along the way.

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I've noticed that through the course of this discussion/argument, that Elite_Hunter and Nelson have yet to answer the question on "Who did it?"
Oh c'mon, do you really expect anyone to know? And if they did, would they post it here first?
Pretty much the whole (95%+) of American Citizens know what happened. I'm sure that the people who experienced the explosion and survived know what happened.

ASWnut101 02-05-07 05:03 PM
First: Nelson, just quote off of this from now on. the other quote thing is too big.:up:

Yes. I do mean that.

Tchocky 02-05-07 05:09 PM
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Pretty much the whole (95%+) of American Citizens know what happened. I'm sure that the people who experienced the explosion and survived know what happened.
Yes.......they know what they've been told. As regards the theories put forward here, if cast-iron proof of some other actors responsibility was available, then GT Forum of Subsim probably wouldn't be the spot for introduction. It would be across every headline.
It is commonly accepted, with a high level of coincidental/circumstantial evidence, that Al-Qaeda was responsible. We've also been told by our governments that that is how it all happened. I believe Al-Qaeda was responsible, but I don't know the full story.

nelson1985 02-05-07 05:10 PM
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First: Nelson, just quote off of this from now on. the other quote thing is too big.:up:

Yes. I do mean that.
ok from i read from are government investigation teams which are government funded :lol: lol they say its fires but then they say its structural damage then they say no its both then they say well damn it we dont know lol and some of them dont even want to talk about building 7 hmm i wonder y :)

ASWnut101 02-05-07 05:14 PM
so then how does this turn into a conspiracy? If the government dosen't know for sure what brought down building 7, why does that mean that they are not telling you everything?

ASWnut101 02-05-07 05:17 PM
And even then, Please explain to me why our government would destroy our OWN, most valuable buildings economy wise, and launch a missile at our OWN military HQ only to go to war within a year? Those two contradict themselves.


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