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Originally Posted by The Noob

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Originally Posted by Perilscope

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Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

:o :o :o Does anyone have any Idea what he is ranting about???

Never did, never will :D

That i dislike america and how it behaves.

You dislike America? :cry:

What, are you Darth Vader?

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

You dislike America? :cry:

Don't cry Neal, we can still be Friends...:lol:

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

What, are you Darth Vader?

No. I'm someone else. :D
http://www.startreklives.de/crew/images/chekov.gif
Chekov: Captain, i tell you, Communism works!
Kirk: Shout up Pavel! Keep your eyes on the Screen!
Chekov: Yes Sir!

:rotfl:

Ha! Don't accuse me of crying, I'll give you the Mother of all Nurse avatars :ping:

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Ha! Don't accuse me of crying, I'll give you the Mother of all Nurse avatars :ping:

Holy C***!

*Hides in Turbolift*

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5371394.stm

I wonder if not stabilizing the situation after one has waged war, not taking enough care of security, and protecting the public, while one is operating with numerically too inferior forces, also should not be covered by the GC. Torture to death is common practice now in Iraq, and 6600 murders in the running two months is a terrible high number.

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Torture is indeed at appalling levels in Iraq. Everyone, it seems, from the Iraqi forces to the militias to the anti-US insurgents, now routinely use torture on the people they kill. (...) The number of violent deaths for July and August reached a total of 6,600 - 13% higher than the figure for the previous two-month figure. They come at a time when 147,000 American soldiers are deployed in Iraq, the majority of them in the area around Baghdad. In recent months, reinforcements have been brought in to try to curb the violence. (...) Some 147,000 soldiers may seem a large number, and it is more than the US Department of Defense had been hoping to deploy in Iraq by now. But the overwhelming majority of them are not out on the streets, stopping the bombings and kidnappings and murders. The total number of fighting soldiers in the American force is probably about 18,000 - quite a small number, given the area they have to cover and the size of the problem. (...) The Americans have never put enough foot patrols in the streets, and they long ago lost control of many towns and cities as a result. (...) The US Department of Defense has now provided another measure of the problem it faces. Its latest opinion poll carried out in Iraq indicates that, among the five million Sunni Muslims there, about 75% now support the armed insurgency against the coalition. This compares with 14% in the first opinion poll the Defense Department carried out back in 2003. It is a catastrophic loss of support, and there is no sign whatever that it can be effectively reversed. (...) The rise in hostility to the US forces is clearly linked to the onslaught against the town of Falluja in 2004. This, we are told, was ordered directly by the White House and the Department of Defense after the bodies of four American defence contractors were hung from a bridge in April 2004. The ferocity of the attack by the US marines persuaded large numbers of Iraqi Sunnis that the Americans were their enemies. (...) But the latest crop of figures indicate that complete victory for the US, whatever that might mean, is now out of the question.

For God's sake and reason, get thiose troops out of there. So that after their invasion and actions have triggered this violence, they must not load even more moral responsebility on their shoulders for not carrying out sufficient action, but still participating in the overall situation - by simply being there, for nothing. It is pure cynism to say one cares for one's troops and supports them - but leave them in a hopeless mess like this if there is nothing anymore that they can acchieve or do. Or does anyone beloieves a future president will send in another 150 thousand troops as reinforcements?

Holy Muck, i wasn't aware it was that bad down there!

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

What, are you Darth Vader?

No. I'm someone else. :D
http://www.startreklives.de/crew/images/chekov.gif
Chekov: Captain, i tell you, Communism works!
Kirk: Shout up Pavel! Keep your eyes on the Screen!
Chekov: Yes Sir!

Will you be the tattered shoe or the ripped boot?

@SkyBird

Great last post Mate! :up:

I've been telling everyone that this was going to be a pointless war with no winners. Obviously Iraq is now a much worse place to be than it was prior to the war. But, that's good ole America for you though. Always poking its nose into other countries foreign affairs and starting more trouble there than what was there previously. :nope:

Im also starting to think that pulling out of Iraq and Afganistan would be wise right away. Instead of waiting year or two for the inevitable. Then start training for the next battles, with using lessons learned from these two places, and coming up with a plan how these battles would be decisive victories. Any ideas? Strictly minimazing casualties (for both sides), the least costly method could be to nuke capitals of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran for a start. PS. Unconditional surrender, non negotiable.

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Im also starting to think that pulling out of Iraq and Afganistan would be wise right away.

Is it really you speaking...? :-j

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

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Originally Posted by The Noob

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

What, are you Darth Vader?

No. I'm someone else. :D
http://www.startreklives.de/crew/images/chekov.gif
Chekov: Captain, i tell you, Communism works!
Kirk: Shout up Pavel! Keep your eyes on the Screen!
Chekov: Yes Sir!

Will you be the tattered shoe or the ripped boot?

Ripped boot. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Skybird

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

Im also starting to think that pulling out of Iraq and Afganistan would be wise right away.

Is it really you speaking...? :-j

Lost my faith, anyone isnt comitted to anything meaningful yet, like taking care of Pakistanis and Saudis. Chasing insurgents in Iraq and UBL in Afganistan/Pakistan doesnt really do nothing, but play to the hands of the enemy. Its also wrong towards the military to demand results, without giving them the tools to do it with. Our societes are so weak these days.. Too many are too cowardly, too lazy and too stupid to be interested in the common good of their community, country or culture. Its going to get worse before it gets better. By the end of it all, i doubt anyone will remember the Geneva convention. :rotfl:

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

Ask Rumsfeld. :up:

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Originally Posted by Fish

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

Ask Rumsfeld. :up:

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Originally Posted by Donald Rumsfeld

There are known knowns. These are things that we know we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

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Originally Posted by scandium

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Originally Posted by Immacolata

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by The Noob

the usual idiotic blather

So says the guy whose country started the 1st world war and gave the world Hitler. BTW your comical propaganda photoshops are a bit dated. Colin Powell hasn't been Sec of State for almost 2 years now.

So says the guy whose country gave us Bush, secret CIA prisons and an Iraq invasion that none of us have figured out why exactly was necessary in the first place.

You left out Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, the wiretapping at the UN, the withdrawl and undermining of every International Treaty from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty to the Geneva Conventions to Kyoto, and $75/barrel oil prices that we all have to pay now (which was $25/barrel in 2000)... and we're still not even scratching the damage done to the world by this halfwitted jackass of a "President" (the complete refusal to even acknowledge, let alone address, Climate Change could ultimately be the most disasterous for us all, since the US contribution to this problem is 25% of all fossil fuel emissions even though the US has less than 3% of the world's population... which about sums up the arrogance and malignant indifference of the Bush regime).

I love reading your rantings. It's like the sunday comics. You have managed to blame almost 100 years of fossil fuel emissions, the fact that Americans love their big cars, the price of oil, the red spot on Jupiter and countless other ridiculous things on the Bush administration. Now as far as I know, Bush hasn't been in office a full 2 terms, yet he has single handedly managed to destroy the planet. Why are you not mentioning the dramatic drop in gas prices in the last few weeks. I know, it's Clinton's administration that should recieve the praise for that, right.