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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

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Originally Posted by SubSerpent

What do you know of Kim Jong Il? Only what Bush followers and supporters will tell you. Have you ever been to North Korea? Have you ever met Kim Jong il?

The way I see it is the way God sees it. One man (Bush) has brought his country to war to kill people and the other (Kim Jong Il) hasn't.

Right. :up::doh: Mr. Kim is a wonderful man, and North Korea is a wonderrful, glorious, prosperous, free, and peace-loving nation. Much more moral than America. I mean after all, Bush invaded Iraq for the sole purpose of killing civilians and stealing their oil. :roll: (Sarcasm off)

I'm afraid the sarcasm is lost on them Sea Demon. This willingness to say anything and believe anything regardless of how idiotic is why the Democrats lost control of the Congress and the White House in the first place.

It's a sad thing really. We really could use two strong political parties in the US, but as long as the Democrats can only criticize without offering a realistic plan of their own they will continue to loose elections.

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Originally Posted by The Noob

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They aren't free, nor peace loving. But it's the same with Bush. Don't you see that he's Blitzing you with Propaganda?

What's the propaganda? Prove it.

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Seems not. But WTH, if i would have to choose i would take Kim. That Crazy Dictator can't do so much harm than Bush can, did, and Possibly still will do. Have you watched that "News" (More a Roumor) that Kim has the Atomic Bomb? How much he has? One, maybe to old russian ones with are so old that the sure will be duds! And thats a Threat?

Enjoy. But I don't exactly see you packing. When you get there, log in and tell us how you like it.

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And IMHO Bush DID invade Iraq for the sole purpose of stealing oil. I mean, what danger was Saddam for the USA? And, saying he had weapons off mass Destruction .................................................. ..........................................
Saddam just made the Big error to Displease Bush. Now he got his Arse Kicked.

Prove Bush invaded to steal oil. :lol::lol: This is alot of fun. You people believe nothing but propaganda. "Bush lied" is propaganda BS. Most of the whole world's intelligence agencies agreed with Mr. Bush at the time. But if you can prove Bush lied, that would be different. But you, like the others here pushing these nutty theories can't.

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Alright, how about this. I'm a Big fan and Believer of:

CCCCCAAAASSSTROOOO!!!!!

What have you to say on this matter, Sea Demon?

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I say you're full of crap unless you're willing to move to Cuba permanently.

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Originally Posted by August

I'm in agreement. A strong and honest Democrat party would be beneficial to the country. But as long as they are as crazy as they are with these nutty conspiracies dreamed up out of thin air, or dreamed up at International A.N.S.W.E.R. sponsored events, this is what we got. And I hope they get nowhere near the levers of power.

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by scandium

This often repeated but rarely challenged assertion blows my mind. The largest attack on U.S. soil since Pearle Harbour occured on Bush's watch, the guy behind it remains at large,

Scandium, still willing to make any comparison regardless of how ridiculous in his one man personal war with our chief executive eh? :roll:

So tell me, how long did the people behind the Pearl Harbor remain at large Scandium? What did it take in lives and money bring them to justice? Do you advocate a similar effort for one single man whose elimination would not end his organization?

speaking of pearl harbor...that attack led us to war with japan...now if that is justified then why is it not justified that when CIVILIANS are attacked...not even military targets (other than the pentagon) but CIVILIANS its not ok to go to war with a country that has been fully ID'd by the world (not just by us but by intelligence agencies around the world) to fund and even engage in terrorist acts.

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Originally Posted by azreark1

well i'm just going to point out something real quick...from the point of 9/11 which is a terrible day in american history, democrats...now i'm not saying all democrats but a lot have been totally against doing anything forceful/military when it came to the attack on our soil, they think that this can be resolved with negotiations/peace talks and the like...now it has been proven that iraq, suddam and others that were behind him funded and helped terrorist orginizations. now look at it this way, terrorists blew up world trade centers...NOT a military target, just a bunch or your everyday civilians with normal lives and family's. suddam and his rassim (or however the ******* you spell it) killed tons of innocent people in iraq, so whats the difference between a terrorist orginization and suddam?! when we went to war with iraq we went to take him out of power and work on stopping terrorism. i mean seriously...you think after the thousands of people that lost thier lives on 9/11 that bush would just sit there and do nothing...now granted he probably used the WMD as a mere reason to get into iraq and do what we did but seriously people...it was for the better good of not just us but the whole world that we invaded and smashed quite a good deal of the terrorism nation. and if you think about it its not just us in this...terrorists have also attacked england and because of that england is behind us. now you have to ask yourself, if you had family members (dad, mom, brother, sister, extended family) killed in 9/11 wouldnt you expect the president of the united states to atleast do something to stop future terrorist actions against us and even any other nation?! i know i would. i lost my uncle and 2 cousins that all worked in those buildings and i'll be damned if this country is just going to sit on its ass and do nothing.

how can you think bush is in it for the oil?! you think bush has his own oil refinery that he takes all the oil he wants and puts it in his own reserves and refines his own oil into whatever he wants and then what...uses it? sells it?! hell no, he would have no need at all to go in there and take oil when he will not profit from it one bit. oil companys have trades set up to get oil from there to the united states for processing, the war in iraq granted might make the oil business a lot more risky but bush himself i can guarentee is not tied to any sort of oil laundering of any kind...so if he's in it just for the oil then whats he doing with it and hows he doing it?!

anyways just my kinda $0.02

Bush is an oil tycoon and so is his family and friends. They ALL profit greatly from oil overseas each year. Bush's family even had connections to Bin Ladens family in the 80s before BIn Laden went all crazy in the head and started to plan the destruction of America.

Yes, I do expect the people who lost someone on 9/11 to sit on their rears and try to resolve issues in a peaceful manner. Just because Jo Bob punches you in the nose, does not mean that it's right to punch him back. Two wrongs don't make a right in other words. Besides, the war in Iraq has little to nothing to do with 9/11. That was Bin Laden and Al Qaeda's doing. He was the original bad guy, but Bush decided to go after and tag it to Sadaam because he was an easier target for Bush. Yet a 7ft. muslim man on dialysis in the middle of the desert can 't be found almost a half-decade later?!? WTF?!?!?! I smell fish and it appears to be coming from the Whitehouse.

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by scandium

This often repeated but rarely challenged assertion blows my mind. The largest attack on U.S. soil since Pearle Harbour occured on Bush's watch, the guy behind it remains at large,

Wasn't that the whole point of going to war with Afghanistan? In case you've forgetten, some reminders:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'" - G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

Then later...

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

And people called Kerry a "flip-flopper".

bin laden and suddam were friends...if we cant find/kill one take out the other and try to help bring him out of hiding (if we didnt already kill him in all those bombing raids which i will admit were too hastily put together).

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maybe he moved from trying to find bin laden to trying to crash terrorism all together.
frankly i think we can argue all we want about why he did this or why he's doing that but we are not George...so frankly we have no idea whats going on in his head and what he has planned. so whats the point?!

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Originally Posted by azreark1

How were they friends? They have never met one another. Bush's family however, was friends the laden family during the 80s and worked with each other in the oil industry.

yeah they were, i remember back in the day a release from either the fbi or the cia talking about ties bin laden and suddam had together. ok maybe friends was not the right word but they did know eachother.

and so what if bush and laden were friends back in the day...you think the bush's knew laden was a terrorist and planning to totally screw over america? and on top of that you think after what he planned and executed you think they are still friends?! no. circumstances changed and so did the people. so what the relationship WAS 20 years ago doesnt mean it has anything to do at all with whats going on today.

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Originally Posted by scandium

Wasn't that the whole point of going to war with Afghanistan? In case you've forgetten, some reminders:

No, the war in Afghanistan was to destroy al Qaedas base of operations in that country. Al Qaeda is not one man. Y'know Scandium 9-11 was almost 5 years ago now but there has not been a repeat here since. As much as you hate my government, even you have to give them that.

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by scandium

Wasn't that the whole point of going to war with Afghanistan? In case you've forgetten, some reminders:

THANK YOU!

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Originally Posted by SubSerpent

Bush's family however, was friends the laden family during the 80s and worked with each other in the oil industry.

So now an entire family should be held responsible for the actions of one crazy relative? Your no account cousin knocks over a gas station and you advocate sending his parents, siblings and cousins, including yourself to jail?

Nice sense of justice you have there SubSerpent...

Time for a break from ME/Political topics.