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scandium 05-29-06 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
An interview is not a WMD. Unless it happens to be an interview of Bush giving an unscripted press conference. :D

The Avon Lady 05-30-06 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by scandium
An interview is not a WMD.
There was no claim as such, nor was that my claim when I started this thread.

The question is whether Al Generalisimo is telling the truth or not. This is the 2nd high ranking Iraqi officer that has gone public with the claims that the Russians wisked everything out of the country prior to the US invasion.

If it's false, then it would definitely seem that there are no WMDs anywhere.

If it's true, that would explain why they can't be found.

For all I know, these 2 guys are paid CIA stooges, puting on a nice show to excuse US blunders. Fact of the matter is, however, they are being shunned for the most part. No one is listening.

In addition to these Iraqi's stories, there's also the translated documents that have been publicized, several of which are linked to in this thread. Those aren't imaginary and their meaning is pretty clear.

scandium 05-30-06 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
For all I know, these 2 guys are paid CIA stooges, puting on a nice show to excuse US blunders. Fact of the matter is, however, they are being shunned for the most part. No one is listening
That could be because the issue to most of us, with thousands of civilian lives on the line who's only crime would be having been born in Iraq, not whether or not Iraq possessed WMD at some point in time (we know there were some there at some point), or whether they possessed unmanned model airplanes or a couple mustard gas shells, the issue was did Iraq actually pose a threat to the US or its allies? That was the bill of goods that Bush, Blair, Cheney, Rice, and Powell were pushing daily for 6 months: the talk of "mushroom clouds", of "thousands of litres of sarin gas", etc, etc. That was the issue that people who supported the war rallied around (the other reasons came later). Its been 3 years now and no credible evidence of these kinds of weapons (let alone the weapons themselves) has surfaced.

People have woken up to the reality that Iraq has been turned into hell on earth for the people who have to be there (both US troops as well as the Iraqis themselves), that there is no end in sight, and that the bill of goods they were sold was a false one. I don't think anyone cares anymore what a couple of Iraqi stooges have to say (look at what believing Ahmed Chalabi led to). As GW Bush once said: "Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. But fool me twice... can't get fooled again!"

Konovalov 05-30-06 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by scandium
That could be because the issue to most of us, with thousands of civilian lives on the line who's only crime would be having been born in Iraq, not whether or not Iraq possessed WMD at some point in time (we know there were some there at some point), or whether they possessed unmanned model airplanes or a couple mustard gas shells, the issue was did Iraq actually pose a threat to the US or its allies? That was the bill of goods that Bush, Blair, Cheney, Rice, and Powell were pushing daily for 6 months: the talk of "mushroom clouds", of "thousands of litres of sarin gas", etc, etc. That was the issue that people who supported the war rallied around (the other reasons came later). Its been 3 years now and no credible evidence of these kinds of weapons (let alone the weapons themselves) has surfaced.

People have woken up to the reality that Iraq has been turned into hell on earth for the people who have to be there (both US troops as well as the Iraqis themselves), that there is no end in sight, and that the bill of goods they were sold was a false one. I don't think anyone cares anymore what a couple of Iraqi stooges have to say (look at what believing Ahmed Chalabi led to). As GW Bush once said: "Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. But fool me twice... can't get fooled again!"
:yep: Well said sir.

The Avon Lady 06-22-06 02:24 AM
Hi. Me again!:lol:

CHEMICAL MUNITIONS IN IRAQ.

No, this is not an "aha!" moment. Just mentioning it as relevant to the thread. Make sure to read all the way through, especially through the quote from this Powerline blog entry.

PeriscopeDepth 06-22-06 03:18 AM
Fantastic. Iraq MAY HAVE had chemical weapons, IF THE SHELF LIFE WAS NOT UP, at the time of the invasion. AFTER WE BOMBED THAT COUNTRY INTO IMPOTENCE FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. Something we'll never know. And frankly, after years of exhaustive searching something that probably wasn't true at the time of the invasion.

Oh, by the way. North Korea is about to test an ICBM that they are probably capable of marrying to their nuclear weapons that they almost certainly have after more than a decade of telling us to shove it. They have even been courteous enough to be up front about being completely dishonest.

Sorry, just that kind of night for me...

PD

The Avon Lady 06-22-06 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth
North Korea is about to test an ICBM that they are probably capable of marrying to their nuclear weapons that they almost certainly have after more than a decade of telling us to shove it. They have even been courteous enough to be up front about being completely dishonest.
Don't blame NK. The west has been dishonest with itself in believing that this would not happen.

aaken 06-22-06 04:14 AM
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Oh, by the way. North Korea is about to test an ICBM that they are probably capable of marrying to their nuclear weapons that they almost certainly have after more than a decade of telling us to shove it. They have even been courteous enough to be up front about being completely dishonest.
It's also quite possible that NK, unlike Irak, was never subject to a prehemptive invasion just because of that.

STEED 06-22-06 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth
Oh, by the way. North Korea is about to test an ICBM that they are probably capable of marrying to their nuclear weapons that they almost certainly have after more than a decade of telling us to shove it. They have even been courteous enough to be up front about being completely dishonest.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8...thkorea4tn.jpg
“Thank you, thank you very much” :p

The Avon Lady 06-22-06 04:54 AM
Separated at birth?
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8...thkorea4tn.jpg http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6890/0041zy.jpg

STEED 06-22-06 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by STEED
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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth
Oh, by the way. North Korea is about to test an ICBM that they are probably capable of marrying to their nuclear weapons that they almost certainly have after more than a decade of telling us to shove it. They have even been courteous enough to be up front about being completely dishonest.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8...thkorea4tn.jpg
“Thank you, thank you very much” :p

Kim Jong Seok is to busy doing Elvis impersonations. http://www.langkawi.dk/smileys/s23.gif

The Avon Lady 06-22-06 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth
Fantastic. Iraq MAY HAVE had chemical weapons, IF THE SHELF LIFE WAS NOT UP, at the time of the invasion. AFTER WE BOMBED THAT COUNTRY INTO IMPOTENCE FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. Something we'll never know. And frankly, after years of exhaustive searching something that probably wasn't true at the time of the invasion.
Follow through the video clip in this blog item and listen to the remarks of former UN weapons inspector Tim Trevan towards the end of the clip.

PeriscopeDepth 06-22-06 05:07 PM
That actually makes sense to me AL. Interesting vid. Don't know if it's true or not, but interesting vid.

Concerning NK, I don't think the West actually believed they would stop trying to obtain nukes. They just had to be overly optimistic because military action couldn't be used with impunity as it had been against Iraq.

PD

DeepSix 06-23-06 02:34 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../KJI_Aloha.jpg

I want nukes!
I need nukes!
I-I-I luv nukes!
With aaaalll myyy heaaart....

STEED 06-23-06 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DeepSix
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../KJI_Aloha.jpg

I want nukes!
I need nukes!
I-I-I luv nukes!
With aaaalll myyy heaaart....
Brilliant:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


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