According to the Southern Poverty Law Center I don't see any historical 'close ties' to the NRA. I think the Spiegel article shows a certain level of ignorance of American history.

"In fact, the beginning of the Klan involved nothing so sinister, subversive or ancient as the theories supposed. it was the boredom of small-town life that led six young Confederate veterans to gather around a fireplace one December evening in 1865 and form a social club. the place was Pulaski, Tenn., near the Alabama border. when they reassembled a week later, the six young men were full of ideas for their new society. it would be secret, to heighten the amusement of the thing, and the titles for the various offices were to have names as preposterous-sounding as possible, partly for the fun of it and partly to avoid any military or political implications."

The KKK was never meant to be what it is today. It started out as an eccentric social club by six former confederates. Only later did it re-invented itself into the terrorist organization it is today.

The NRA organization was never that. Behavior of some of its members however may be an entirely different story.

Just because Cruz was a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It doesn't mean every one else there is as sick or evil as he is.

The source for the above:

Ku Klux Klan - A History of Racism and Violence (6th Ed., 2011) --

(Website Version)

https://www.splcenter.org/20110228/k...history-racism

(PDF Version)

https://www.splcenter.org/sites/defa...-of-Racism.pdf


The essay has these paragraphs following a bit after the previously quoted passage:


As with many aspects of life, it isn't what someone or something starts out as that's ultimately important, it what they are or have become that really matters; I'm sure Nazism just started with a bunch of guys bitching over beers; if that was all they did, no one would care...

On the other hand, a bunch of guys in New England bitched over ales and decided to to do something positive about their gripes and, in the end, we have our nation. Don't know about you, but I'm more impressed with the New Englanders than I could ever possibly be with those "silly" ex-Confederates and their sympathizers...










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I have read and heard several companies in the States have cut their support to NRA and the protesters is growing among the youngsters

If my memory doesn't play tricks with me I seem to remember the same thing happened last time the were this mass shooting(Las Vegas)

Lots of protest and angry voices towards NRA.

As last time- After a couple of month NRA was back on track with companies supporting them.

Markus

Nothing changes.

Nope, it appear things never change. Never a solution, no wisdom, divert the attention and play on the fears of the ignorant, turning tragedy into a political power grab.


People need a boogie man and even though in my opinion they had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting the NRA happens to be it.


As an owner of several firearms and not belonging to any political party or 'gun club'. I have absolutely no problem making behavioral and prescription records available to authorities when purchasing a fire arm. But the problem with that is you then make the government fully responsible for any mass shooting thereafter because they (the government) OK'd the applicants purchase.

This is the usual twisted right-wing "logic", designed to divert from the real issue, desinformation and dumb. Call scientific methods "politically inspired", and all gun critics "snowflakes".
Proposing to arm teachers as a 'solution'?
You have no idea how this all looks, from here.

Oh, he does; he's just desperately hoping no one else does...











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I said nothing of snowflakes, YOU DID. I said nothing of Right wing or left wing politics, YOU DID.

What I said was nothing ever changes in fact you just proved my feking point. Whether its you turning tragedy it into some political farce about us and them. Or someone making a call to arm teachers. There is never any wisdom, or solutions. Nothing ever changes. This will soon be forgotten and one day it will happen again like a bad dream because nothing ever changes. No wisdom, no solutions just political drama and power grabs, a boogie man, and media circus.


And frankly I don't give a ratzarse what it looks like to you. That's not the problem.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m325lrnSfr1qf3hns.jpg

Whether the 'Spiegel' shows ignorance about american history.. i think you do. The relatively short history of the USA shows close ties to weapons and malevolent behaviour, it is even called gun culture by its very inhabitants. Maybe the NRA has absolutely nothing to do with the shootings (what i seriously doubt regarding propagating public access, allowances and financing "ego shooters" (what a perfectly fitting name b.t.w.) for "gamers"), but whatever: the very beginnings and existence of something like the NRA is exactly one example of the problem and the general mindset. This alone has not much to do with the KKK, i agree. But "you" do not even want to see the problem that lies behind, but instead arm all teachers and pupils? How sick is this?

Meine Fresse.

Just to make sure everybody understood what the article indeed has said:

Quote:

And further:

The problem with articles is that they have a focus based upon someone's well-intended research and intent. The intent is where the biasness usually becomes noticeable. Good or bad, accurate or not.

One article, is not history represented in a complete way...Definitely not something to only post of the bad.

What is needed are the fixes and their good points and bad points. Someone mentioned physical security and I thought that some schools are rather large with multiple entrances. I school is a place for exposure; sports, arts, academics, even rehabilitation. All running at different times and needing accesses and exits.

Just that one consideration exposes the school and those in it, but what to do...?

Let's see.
They are Sworn to serve and protect. Failed on both those points no matter the reasoning.

I'm pretty sure you'd not need to flip a coin on which direction to shoot!
Hear and follow the gun shots. If the perp at the source is not dressed like you? KILL the SOB!! They are supposedly trained LEO's after all.

Perhaps they wanted someone kneeling on a floor begging not to be shot before they wanted to shoot him dead. That has happened in the U.S.A.
Even that LEO was not convicted of a crime so what did they have to fear?
Oh! I might get hurt!!!

Since September 2001 LEO's have been called Heroes just for doing their jobs.

Broward County just crushed that seeing that they couldn't or wouldn't do their job when needed in a drastic way.

Sorry LEO's. None of you are Heroes any longer until you prove it on an individual basis. Suck it up Butter Cups! Your just another Guy doing a job.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...gress-money-no

An interesting article on the political power of the NRA and how it is not about the small percentage of donations.