Yeah what replaced apartheid doesn't seem much better does it.

Due to security concerns...I will not be attending Mandela's funeral.

Plus, I don't think my boat will make it there! :O:

Which one? There are two in your sig.

And?

Either one...it's not looking good. :help:

Very quick and sharp .. :haha:

The basic problem is that the media (note, since '94) have been feeding the world with a diet of South African 'niceties and miracles', and a wondrous new democracy.. and people have lapped this up, patting themselves on the back, congratulating themselves for a job well done, 1000's of miles away.

Meanwhile...

Back at the ranch, the death toll rate has steadily mounted, until at it's peak about a 1000 were dying daily.. (Nah!!... this is absolute BS, can't be ??), and the leadership was twiddling it's thumbs and having champagne.
Now in that Ugandan doccy, 300 000 died over his reign of a number of years. In ZA that number died in 1 year and this went on for 5 years and is still happening, but the toll rate has been reduced - you think about that carefully !!

There was a big outcry when the US soldier toll rate reached a 1000 per year in Iraq/Afghanistan. What would the US people do if: (Let upscale proportionally, 300 million in the USA compared to 50 million in ZA), say 6000 people were dying daily directly due to government leadership and policies ? The lynch mobs would be out

And then I, some 1000's of miles away said BS, you're lying because I know what's going on in your country and know your leaders - I've seen it all on tele... :har: :har: :har:

I don't think anyone is saying that ZA is some sort of Garden of Eden now that the ANC have taken over. In terms of corruption it's a mess, you've only got to look at the power supply situation whose chickens have come home to roost (we'll probably be in a similar situation in the UK within the decade) and there are certainly situations where abuses of human rights are taking place.
However, compared to what happened in Zimbabwe and Uganda after the change of power, ZA got off very lightly, it could have been a lot worse, with a lot of very angry segregated people looking for revenge.

Sorry to burst your Boer bubble, but you were said to be lying because you insisted the obvious lies you had linked to were all true.:yep:

So young man, why do you feel you have to lie?
You started out so well in your first post, the truth should have been entirely sufficient to make the point about the situation, instead you decided to be thoroughly dishonest.:down:

Following VanJast's [sic!] logic this is what they have in common, I cannot find much else.

Actually is wasn't like that at all. The majority were glad that the show was over. only two extremist groups were at each others throats for a while, AWB and it's supporting Conservative Party.. the ANC and it's armed wing (NM always being a member of this group). The media feasted on this. The voting majority naturally went the ANC as there was no other countywide 'party' for black people to vote for. This has all changed as the ANC (including NM) have repeatedly shot themselves in the foot - They probably have no toes left.

Tribesman.. as for your BOER... did you know the Irish fought along side the Boers during the Boer War, against the Brits. Do you also know that the Boers feed the population of Southern Africa, because every ANC farm has to date, failed. Did you know that then Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) fed the whole African continent up to south of the Sahara... it now imports food.. and millions starve - What do you think UN food aid is all about. Do you know English translation for Boer, is Farmer.
Mandela at least got one thing right when he said ZA could not do without the white man, and pleaded for them not to leave, still they wisely left in their droves.

It's funny how you believe that those fact are all lies, when you have no tangible experience or evidence (for or against) of the facts presented. Your case would be weak in a law court.. the judge would shake his/her head in disbelief. Herd mentality to the extreme.. Well this is to be expected.

Just in... I wander what the Boers would say about this.. http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Ne...-food-20131210
I wouldn't be too quick to point fingers..

This seems to have become your pet phrase for anyone you want to put down. In some cases it's provably true, but are you sure everyone you use it on is younger than you?

I take it you mean the second Boer war, the one( in theory anyway) about uitlanders rights in the boer territories.
I take it you mean the Irish among the foreign volunteers from many countries and not the Irish regiments of the British army.
No I know nothing about that, I live thousands of miles away you see.
Though as it happens a set of medals the missus has in the house has all the campaign medals and 7 bars from that war, but he was German serving with a Scottish regiment in the British army which is kinda complex if you want to go into nationalities in that conflict, which of course I know nothing about:woot:

No I didn't, I thought not all farmers were boers, silly me eh, must be that distance thing again.

Funny you should mention that, some of the wifes family were Rhodesian farmers before they moved to farm in South Africa, I wouldn't call them Boer though as they are Anglos, or should they be Indians or maybe Pakistanis as originally they were out in the Raj and stayed on in Pakistan for the bloodbath after partition.
Not of course that I would know anything about that as I live in Ireland which is a little place on off west coast of Europe, I am not sure if you are familiar with it as it is a long way away.

Amazing you really are full of facts, now in regards to some of your earlier bull can you give the Xhosa translation of that word, if you would be so kind can you give the translation for "all" as well.

Yep,unity through diversity isn't it.
A big drop in the immediate period after losing the war but an increase in white population ever since then.

:har::har::har::har:
Facts are facts and lies are lies, you simply ran off spewing nonsense when confronted.

Is that why you were unable to counter anything that was put forward, Blimey vanjast, you fell at the first fence, and that wasn't even a big fence.
No sorry, that is wrong, you didn't fall at the first fence, you looked at it and ran off in the opposite direction.

Your arguments are pathetic, your grasp of facts is to all intents and purposes non existent.
Herd mentality indeed:rotfl2:
Only someone with herd mentality would even consider making a statement like you did, you insisted that everything in that rubbish piece of propaganda was true, that is an exceptionally silly stand to take.:down:

The more I read this stuff the more it seems to me that while you're dismissing his "facts", you once again are presenting none of your own. You say the article he quotes is full of lies and errors, yet you haven't shown a single fact tp back this up.

But you yourself have put forward exactly nothing. No arguments, just more insults. You attempt to tear him down by sheer insult and mockery. Please show some facts.

Again, please show that one bit of your tirade has some factual basis.

Beginning to grow weary of the old and the old :hmmm: