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Skybird 05-29-13 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MH (Post 2064638)
Condemnation are very rare unfortunately.

Really? I would say the opposite. It's the first thing happening after another "incident". Followed by the remark that "Islam has nothing to do with it".

It's just - and that is my point - the words are not followed by deeds, and that the wide passivity and tolerance against hate preachers, extremists and terrorist hiding in their community illustrates a behavior that does not live up top the words. Words are cheap, and comfortably get off the lips. I'm not interested in pleasant words anymore. I demand a massive, widespread alteration of community behavior and -demands, and of individual behavior. Deeds. Not words. Cleaning the house, revolting against their leaders, extremists and hate-dripping and racist jihadists, not just some comfortable feel-well events like a public demonstration. Handing them over, alarming the police all by themselves, giving them the kick to their bottoms.

Our tolerance and patience has been abused so often and so massively and since so many decades, that they really have some debts to get straight. Instead, what we get is an increase in orthodoxy and radicalisation with every new generation of Muslim immigrant offsprings, and ever more demands for special treatment that no other social group gets or would dare to demand. And where our "unsensible, racist" leaders would dare to reject that (being fictional here), we get accused of not doing enough for integrating them. We must not integrate anyone coming to us. The obligation to integrate is with the foreigner coming here. Not with us. And maybe we should be much more choosey regarding whom we let in, and whom not. Nobody has a birth right to come from a foreign country to us and to demand that we must accept him. He only has a right to ask us. And we have any right there is to consider the questions and answer with Yes or No. No moral argument there is why we must accept somebody that we do not want. When no other migrant groups, from Asia, Europe, non-Muslim Africa, both americas, does not give us problems like Muslims do, then we have any right to say that not migrations in general but Muslim migrations poses devastating problems to our societies that so far we have proven to not being able to handle. What we see instead is that we fall back from the confrontation - we fall back in our own home countries, and give more and more ground.

We lose, because we allow it. We lose - this, and nothing else.

MH 05-29-13 11:25 AM

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Really? I would say the opposite. It's the first thing happening after another "incident". Followed by the remark that "Islam has nothing to do with it".
Maybe by media but not at mosques and so on.

Jimbuna 05-29-13 12:19 PM

Well, not many surprises here...

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Drummer Lee Rigby died of "multiple incised wounds" after being attacked on a street in Woolwich, a post-mortem examination has discovered.
The finding was issued as police made a fresh appeal for information after the soldier's killing a week ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22703063

Skybird 05-29-13 05:50 PM

Unfortunately only in German:

the offspring of an Italian migrant family in Germany lectures the bigmouthed and never ever satisfied speaker of a Turkish migrants organisation here in Germany(and with links to Turkish ultranationalists) on how foreigners in foreign countries, where they ask to be accepted in, have to behave, and how to integrate, and what separates migrants from Muslim migrants and why the latter are so massive a problem for all other people living here, natives and migrants alike. From one insider with migration backgrounds to another, so to speak. :)

LINK: Migrant and Migrant: Rutschen Sie mir den Buckel runter!

Cybermat47 05-29-13 05:53 PM

^^^

In other words, "Turks are stupid crazy people". :doh:

Jimbuna 05-31-13 11:31 AM

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The second man arrested over the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby has been discharged from hospital, police say.
Michael Adebolajo, 28, has been taken into custody at a south London police station, where he will be questioned.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22734302

Herr-Berbunch 05-31-13 01:34 PM

Is Paddington in South London? That's where 'terrorists' usually go.

Tribesman 05-31-13 02:10 PM

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Is Paddington in South London?
Central London, it's Westminster borough.

Jimbuna 05-31-13 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 2065716)
Is Paddington in South London? That's where 'terrorists' usually go.

Probably keeping them separated as an extra security precaution.


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