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Ducimus 04-11-13 11:37 AM

Just going to reiterate what's probably already been said.


5.56 has more pressure in it then .223.

- If your rifle is chambered in 5.56, you have "downward compatibility". Shoot either one, your fine.
- If your rifle is chambered in .223, then only shoot .223, your chamber is rated for the pressure of a .556.

Will a single round do some damage and have the reciver or something blow up in your face? Probably not. Over time though, it will do some damage. I wouldn't do it.


Conversely, the opposite is true with .308 and 7.62.

.308 has more pressure then a 7.62, so if your rifles chambered for .308 feed it whatever you like since the case sizing on both rounds is identical. Just don't go feeding a 7.62 nato chambered rilfe with .308

Stealhead 04-11-13 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984 (Post 2039669)

Now for my savage, I have 64-gr .223 Remington Soft Points... I would think that i could use them but you tell me otherwise....

I'll ask the local gunsmith sometime. Hunting season isn't for a while and I don't target shoot with soft points.

Ask the gunsmith it probably will work fine with 64 grain.I was just giving you a general guideline 64 is only two above 62 and your rifle may very well have a heavier barrel or a different ratio but it wont be a ratio that is ideal for heavy grain ammo.Shooting 70 grain rounds will work with no danger to you they just wont be very accurate because those rounds are designed for a higher twist ratio.

You need to find out what your rifles twist ratio is because some Savages do have a 1:9 twist and in that case I would go with heavier grain rounds 70 or 75 because you will get better accuracy with those if you have a 1:9 barrel.

Or call Savage and ask them they will tell you for certain I did a quick search and some Savage bolt actions have a chamber designed for the Wylde shape(5.56mm).I would call Savage they will know for sure because the person you call will ask for your rifle model and serial number and they will know exactly what you have and can give you the best answer.Not every gun seller knows the ins and outs of every firearm.

Red October1984 04-11-13 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2040000)
You need to find out what your rifles twist ratio is because some Savages do have a 1:9 twist and in that case I would go with heavier grain rounds 70 or 75 because you will get better accuracy with those if you have a 1:9 barrel.

I've got a Savage AXIS .223

Quote:

Or call Savage and ask them they will tell you for certain I did a quick search and some Savage bolt actions have a chamber designed for the Wylde shape(5.56mm).I would call Savage they will know for sure because the person you call will ask for your rifle model and serial number and they will know exactly what you have and can give you the best answer.Not every gun seller knows the ins and outs of every firearm.
The website says that the "Rate of Twist" is 9. I'm assuming that it's the 1:9 that you are meaning. :hmmm:


So I should be good with a higher grain then? I want to stick with this scope so I think I'll buy 55 or 62 grain ammo. :yep:

Stealhead 04-11-13 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984 (Post 2040050)
I've got a Savage AXIS .223



The website says that the "Rate of Twist" is 9. I'm assuming that it's the 1:9 that you are meaning. :hmmm:


So I should be good with a higher grain then? I want to stick with this scope so I think I'll buy 55 or 62 grain ammo. :yep:

Yes "rate of twist of 9" would be 1:9.

Red October1984 04-11-13 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2040070)
Yes "rate of twist of 9" would be 1:9.

Okay then. I'm gonna get this baby sighted in either Saturday evening or Sunday. :D

Webster 04-12-13 09:40 AM

I see the 9mm JHP are reaching an average price of $1.50 per round now

people are just insane to pay such prices.


I saw a post about a guy using snap caps rounds for practicing, is that something that's effective or is it just a matter of not having anything else to shoot?

Ducimus 04-12-13 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster (Post 2040281)
I saw a post about a guy using snap caps rounds for practicing, is that something that's effective or is it just a matter of not having anything else to shoot?

About the only good that would do that I'm aware of is trigger control.

Armistead 04-12-13 02:52 PM

Glad I stocked up.

I was open carrying today and got stopped by a rookie cop why metal detecting posted private { with permission) next to a park. This is becoming laughable, you would think people that say I'm in the park would realize I'm on posted private land two hundred yards from the edge of the park. Not to mention, old park on bad side of town that only drunks hang out in.

He did OK, although it peod him that I wouldn't give him ID, name, nothing. I think his supervisor rather enjoyed it, course he knows who I am.

Platapus 04-12-13 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster (Post 2040281)

I saw a post about a guy using snap caps rounds for practicing, is that something that's effective or is it just a matter of not having anything else to shoot?

Most, if not all, guns don't like being dry-fired (trigger pulled and hammer dropped on an empty chamber. In some guns it is a prime way to break a firing pin.

A snap cap allows the firing pin to hit something so it does not slam forward and potentially fracture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_cap

Stealhead 04-12-13 08:44 PM

Snap caps are also excellent for training muscle memory.For example practicing draws and getting into stances you can simulate drawing from holstered position all the way to the trigger pull also magazine reloads or chamber reloads with a revolver.It might sound extreme but SEALs and Green Berets and SAS and many other elite forces practice dry fire fire draws thousands of times a year.So would any highly skilled competition shooter

If you do something so many times that it is nearly instinct to your brain you will be very deadly or efficient and accurate depending on your goal.If your weapon is firearm or a sword or even your fists it it makes sense to have motions and steps as pure instinct.

The Japanese consider the drawing and sheathing of a bladed weapon an art in and of itself the same concept applies to any weapon.

@Webster snap caps are not a round they do not shoot anything at all that post you read the person did not know what they where talking about or confused snap caps for something else or they had to purchase a round that they dislike so much that they consider on them par with a real snap cap.They usually brightly colored and made mainly of plastic and some brass.Some are designed for dry firing and others are only meant for the simulation of loading.


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