My sixth grade teacher, Mr. Clifford, grabbed me by the collar and slammed me up against a brick wall because I was acting up in class. It didn't hurt me and he only had to do it once. Inflicting permanent damage is wrong of course but kids need discipline.

You know when Americans could spank their kids our nation was on the rise. When we stopped our decline began. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

Clearly you are out of your mind. And no, I'm not the software world generation. Personal computers did become personal until my college years starting in 1984. Not really having access until 1986. You are as much misdirected as Tak. Nowhere did I state I wanted to go back to the idyllic golden age. Tak made a wrong assumption. As well as you. Teachers in my era could employ corporal punishment. All but one did not employ this type of punishment. The one that did was mentally ill and institutionalized. But, non-the-less my mom spanked once with a wooden spoon and you believe she is a screw up breeding more screw ups. I can assure you she was not a screw up producing more screw ups. I have 4 siblings. All are productive members of society.

Casey got spanked so Americans clearly still can spank their kids.
160+ countries allow parents to beat their kids America is one of those countries.
So any supposed correlation you attempt to draw between the decline of your nation and allowing beating kids is clearly just bollox.:know:

I don't know who does. I never spanked my kids. Can we see statistics for the bollox you call? These days, spanking your kid produces a 911 call from said kid. Cops arrive to assure the kids welfare is OK. With any luck it was not put on utube to go viral and a restraining order to follow with anger management classes. Kick in some community service as well.

Clearly:har:
Really?
So when you agree with ass whoopings and lament the possibility of restraining orders for beating kids you are not saying you wanted to go back to the days of beating kids without possible legal repurcusions of the modern nanny state?:hmmm:



You clearly are a screw up on the comprehension front.
Going right off on one ain't ya:yep:
You really should read, you were even kindly given a pointer on where you had gone wrong

Goodnight Tribesman.

You're wasting your time AVG. Trollsman doesn't care about getting at the truth. He only comes here to troll and to instigate trouble. Ever see him wish someone a happy birthday? Ever see him crack a joke that wasn't a personal dig at someone else? It's why he's the only one in this forum I keep on ignore. Nothing he says is worth reading.

Do you mean laws that ban corporal punishment in the home as opposed to laws that ban corporal punishment in school.
Well schools vary state to state but the ban at a federal level still didn't get passed in 2010 and wasn't put forward again in 2011, but on a local level ohio banned it in 2009 and New Mexico did last year.
Which means there must be a very rapid decine in society for recent local bans like those to have an affect on society

So what is the law that bans spanking your kids?
Oh yeah there isn't one in the States, two individual states tried it 5 years ago but it failed.
So what you have are laws which somehow "ban" spanking kids like....

Subdivision 1.Reasonable force.

Reasonable force may be used upon or toward the person of a child without the child's consent when the following circumstance exists or the actor reasonably believes it to exist:
(a) when used by a parent, legal guardian, teacher, or other caretaker of a child or pupil, in the exercise of lawful authority, to restrain or correct the child or pupil; or
(b) when used by a teacher or other member of the instructional, support, or supervisory staff of a public or nonpublic school upon or toward a child when necessary to restrain the child from self-injury or injury to any other person or property.

....which as you should be able to see does not ban spanking kids:know:

Does that explain why Augusts line......
You know when Americans could spank their kids our nation was on the rise. When we stopped our decline began.
......was bollox?

It is your habit of ignorance which is just like your "friend" which makes you write something which is so obviously nonsense:rotfl2:
Congratulations August please do proceed in the same track while being totally ignorant that your nonsense on corporal punishmen has been shown for the pile of bull it is:yeah:

I'm not trying to, and neither are you. In this case (which is the only one I'm addressing) all you're doing is twisting Casey's words around to make him look confused. His meaning was quite simple and clear, and you ignored it intentionally just to get a rise out of him. As I said, it's what you do best.

I think we're drifting a little bit away from the central core of the subject here. How does child discipline affect someone who has mental issues?
No sane person goes into a school and murders twenty young children. It takes a big mental disconnection to do such a thing, to even consider it for that matter. If anything excess physical and even emotional discipline can even exacerbate or cause a mental disorder which can be major or minor but will stick with that child for the rest of his or hers life. Now, I'm not talking about a smack with a wooden spoon by your mother, or even ye olde cane, but systematic physical and mental abuse sustained for a long period of time, there is a big difference between the two, but of course a system designed to detect the latter can be easily broken by those suffering the former and making a big fuss of it. False accusations of physical abuse for example, they take up a lot of time and resources in the relevant authorities to investigate, and a lot of the time it might just be because the child has been told not to do something and abused the system to punish the parent for a perceived injustice. However, sometimes the call is real, sometimes the abuse is real, in the UK we had a case which was referred to as the case of 'Baby P' (for legal reasons the childs full name, Peter Connelly, was not released until the end of the trial) where social services systematically failed to pick up on the abuse of young Peter and he died at the age of 1 as a result of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Baby_P (if you want to read more)

Like any system, it is open to abuse.

There is simply not enough firm information to try to understand the background of Adam Lanza, there's lots of rumours being floated by either side of the gun control lobby which always smell a good chance for a bandwagon (I'm talking both sides here), and to be honest I don't think we'll ever fully know the mindset that puts someone in such a position, people still struggle to understand the mindset of Cho or the Columbine pair, there's plenty of efforts to pigeon-hole it into blaming it on video games, or dark metal music, or bullying, or goths, but no-one can really be sure because the mind is capable of such things that we struggle to comprehend.

There are a thousand opinions as to why this is happening, but I'm afraid it's not going to stop as long as it gets the attention of the crazies in our midst.

A great article about what a Mother goes through with a son who has the same mindset as Adam did.

http://www.today.com/moms/i-am-adam-...id=msnhp&pos=3

Yeah, that was posted about 4 pages up by CCIP. I won't claim to know everything there is about children with borderline personality disorders, but in any case, the minute a kid responds to a parent the way this one does in the article, it should be corrected immediately. And not by some wishy-washy "You won't talk to me that way, no Xbox". :nope: It must be addressed in a manner that the kid will not soon forget and will not wish to repeat. And if the child repeats the behavior, then you know there's no hope of raising him in a family setting, ship him off to JV or a psych ward. (If that still exists, these days I wouldn't be surprised if JV has been replaced with Intervention Caring Camp).

Military schools used to be advertised in the back of Boys Life when I was little. I'm sure they're still around.