SUBSIM Radio Room Forums - Support the Community

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- Silent Hunter 5 (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=244)

- - Support the Community - DONT BUY SHV (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162375)

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Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen (Post 1279670)

If you own the software, then you can use all the means you want to play the game. From the moment you buy it, it's YOURS, ergo its not illegal to use my approach.

Nope, unfortunatley that is not the case - you own a license to use it as prescribed by the publisher and nothing more. What do think the license agreement is all about?
Hell the only way you can 'own' your software is to write it yourself.

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1279660)

I'm not so inclined as to tell anyone wether or not to buy the product.

It is their decision.

Here Here. :yep: Now men, i shall push on, to avoid such friendly fire. :-? Bye your leave.

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Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen (Post 1279670)

If you own the software, then you can use all the means you want to play the game. From the moment you buy it, it's YOURS, ergo its not illegal to use my approach.

They won't change their policies just cos we dont want to connect to the internet, they know we are easier to fold.

If a tree falls in your path while you're driving, will you start a war to remove the tree from the road, or will you drive around it and keep going?

I will drive around it.

It's not my problem to solve.

Specially if the tree was put in my way on purpose.

I think you will find that it is illegal to remove DRM (without the owners permition).

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Digital rights management systems have received some international legal backing by implementation of the 1996 WIPO Copyright Treaty (WCT). Article 11 of the Treaty requires nations party to the treaties to enact laws against DRM circumvention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

And as for owning the software that you bought.... think again.
what you buy is a licence to use the software.

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THIS SOFTWARE IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD. BY INSTALLING, COPYING OR OTHERWISE USING THE GAME (DEFINED BELOW), YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO INSTALL, COPY OR USE THE GAME.

You could always try this :-

Kitty agrees

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most people never read the EULA. they just click Accept.
Who knows what your rights your giving up?
Anne Loucks made a little cardboard placque with a downward extension, put it over her keyboard, and by charmign her cat into walking over it, the placque pressed down on the space bar, agreeing to Adobe Reader's EULA. Her cat might not be a legal entity, but the fact of the matter is that she herself did not agree to the EULA, so technically, she shouldn't be covered by it. Right?

http://www.osnews.com/story/21010/Ca...ee_to_an_EULA_

:har:

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Originally Posted by Uber Gruber (Post 1279073)

If 61% of the voting subsim community have voted against buying till DRM is removed then surely the other 39% of the subsim community should support their fellows by at least holding off from purchase for a few weeks so that UBI get the hint ?

Actually it was 61% of the people who chose to participate in an unscientific poll. Don't confuse that with 61% of the total population

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So if you buy then you're working against the majority of subsim members.

And I should care about this for what reason? The opinions of the other people who post in no way influence my opinions. I respect other people's opinions, and expect people to equally respect mine. Considering someone who disagrees with a person group's opinion as "working against them" is, frankly, an immature and illogical attitude.

People should feel free to exercise their freedom as a consumer with respect to buying or not buying this game.

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1279759)

Actually it was 61% of the people who chose to participate in an unscientific poll. Don't confuse that with 61% of the total population

And I should care about this for what reason? The opinions of the other people who post in no way influence my opinions. I respect other people's opinions, and expect people to equally respect mine. Considering someone who disagrees with a person group's opinion as "working against them" is, frankly, an immature and illogical attitude.

People should feel free to exercise their freedom as a consumer with respect to buying or not buying this game.

QFT -
I agree with you 100% :up:

I said i wouldnt buy SH5 at the start of the debarcle but if SH5 doesnt drop out the game when disconnected then i dont have a problem .

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Originally Posted by himlaviz (Post 1279589)

I survived the NGE, I can take this as well.

I am going to buy Silent Hunter 5, because I want to support the development of sub games, whatever it's more or less simulation but SH5 do seem to be taking am interesting approach to playing the captain.

Forums?
Well, it brings out the best and worst in the community sometimes I miss the good old days when you would read about a game in some computer/game magazine or just see it in the shop and buy it. Play it for what it was and don't hack it to pieces and loose the magic.

Now it's a year or more waiting and over analyzing the game and build up expectations and feel ripped off in the end...

:sign_yeah: I feel the same way. I love discussing what is good about a sim and what could be better, and what is not good. But over the last 10 years, it seems like most people are primed to find faults with the game, jump to baseless conclusions, nitpick, and take things to extremes. So much angst! :-?

My prayer is that SH5 sells fairly well, they release a 2nd patch in 6 weeks and sales pick up, another patch in 3 months and they see a spike in sales, etc until they get the game completed. So, for the skeptics and protesters, they might be just what we need...if they will come onboard at exactly the right time.:D

PS: I'm also going to add to my wish list: if the DRM is cracked, Ubi should release a no-online patch immediately. If the DRM lasts 6 months, it would be nice if they would release a patch that means online for activation. I know they won't say this is their plan up front...and it may not be in their plans. But I hope.

What is DRM?Is this similar to starforce because that was a pain in SH3.:o

I'm with you, Neal...here's to hoping that Ubi does the right thing. I'm looking forward to getting my copy on Tuesday and forming my own opinions on the product.

You're absolutely correct, though...forums these days typically end up places for people to go and "Tilt at Windmills", railiing about real and perceived errors and imperfections and discussions usually end up turning into a parody of the old SNL skit "POINT/COUNTERPOINT" where Dan Akroyd and Jane Curtain slug it out verbally over some pre-determined topic...Usually with Dan Akroyd starting his counter-argument with "Jane, you ignorant slut..."

Anyway, I'm looking forward to losing sleep over SH-V...I hope it will be worth it.

Regards,

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Originally Posted by Capt.Warner (Post 1279828)

What is DRM?Is this similar to starforce because that was a pain in SH3.:o

DRM = Digital Rights managment, and yes Starforce was a type of DRM
but it was nothing compared to Ubis latest 'ball and chain' idea

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1279093)

I'm going to buy it on Tuesday and take a picture of me caressing it. I will do this simply to rub it in the faces of people like you who are trying to bully and shame me into not buying it.

I really wish you would all quit with this attitude. Letum's right - you're pissing people off. Me included also.

Don't forget to include me as well...
:shifty:
I'm not ten years old anymore to let people sort of dictate what I should do for a greater good that is but a matter of perspective

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Originally Posted by Highbury (Post 1279431)

Not that long ago we were all told that it is ok to be against DRM and it is ok to say so, it was however NOT ok to call on the Subsim membership for any form of boycott.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160798

that message was unstickied because we felt everyone had gotten the message about such talk.

this thread wasnt immediately closed because the members were doing a good job of self modderating such talk so it was allowed to run its course.

i think everyone has said their minds now so thread is closed.

please continue in the DRM thread if you feel the need to continue this