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Hakahura 02-25-10 08:02 PM

This, is what happens, when you mix posting with Shiraz.
My bad.
:damn:

Marcantilan 02-25-10 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakahura (Post 1280977)
Let's hope for an outbreak of common sense in Buenos Aries. Innocent navigational blunder my arse.

According to local sources, ARA Drummond changed her course to avoid a storm, while engaged in a routine fisheries patrol (after all, her normal duty).

Apparently, both ships communicated in a very friendly way and carry on.

I think The Sun is looking for another Gotcha! headline...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...Falklands.html

Jimbuna 02-26-10 03:22 AM

I wonder how much cod is swimming about in those waters :DL

Tribesman 02-26-10 06:17 AM

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Actually it is simple.They lost the war, so they have no claim.
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
Can you find the peace treaty betweeen the two countrys that says that Bubblehead?

So in the treaty between the UK and Argentina over oil rights in the Falklands and surrounding waters(not including S.Georgia or S. Sandwich islands) after they had renewed diplomatic relations what does it say about the Argentine claim of soveriegnty?
What does it say about British claims of soveriegnty?

Doesn't this current spike in "hostility" between the two states really consist of little more than a minor dispute over tax on shipments.
It amazing how a little thing like that can be turned into a populist tub thumping flag waving charade by the politicians and media on both sides which is taken up with enthusiansm by segments of the population.
Humans eh:rotfl2:


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I wonder how much cod is swimming about in those waters
You would have to ask the south Atlantic fisheries commision which studies fish stocks and regulates fishing around the falklands, its a joint venture run by ...Argentina and Britain

Oberon 02-26-10 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1281267)

Doesn't this current spike in "hostility" between the two states really consist of little more than a minor dispute over tax on shipments.
It amazing how a little thing like that can be turned into a populist tub thumping flag waving charade by the politicians and media on both sides which is taken up with enthusiansm by segments of the population.
Humans eh:rotfl2:

Isn't that the truth? I think both sides need a spot of nationalistic flag waving during the gloom of the depression and this has given them a good excuse.

Jimbuna 02-26-10 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1281365)
Isn't that the truth? I think both sides need a spot of nationalistic flag waving during the gloom of the depression and this has given them a good excuse.

Precisely :DL

Marcantilan 02-26-10 04:55 PM

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/operatio...changeNav/6568

The HMS York / ARA Drummond "incident" related there by a RN sailor, on Feb 8th...

Bubblehead1980 02-26-10 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1281267)
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
Can you find the peace treaty betweeen the two countrys that says that Bubblehead?

So in the treaty between the UK and Argentina over oil rights in the Falklands and surrounding waters(not including S.Georgia or S. Sandwich islands) after they had renewed diplomatic relations what does it say about the Argentine claim of soveriegnty?
What does it say about British claims of soveriegnty?

Doesn't this current spike in "hostility" between the two states really consist of little more than a minor dispute over tax on shipments.
It amazing how a little thing like that can be turned into a populist tub thumping flag waving charade by the politicians and media on both sides which is taken up with enthusiansm by segments of the population.
Humans eh:rotfl2:



You would have to ask the south Atlantic fisheries commision which studies fish stocks and regulates fishing around the falklands, its a joint venture run by ...Argentina and Britain



Tribesman, does not matter.When you lose a war, you lose and give up your claim to whatever.To the victors go the spoils of war.Typical Liberal to throw some piece of paper around.The US lost Vietnam, sure I could put a spin on it and say we chose to withdraw, which we did.However, we left because we lost the will to win and thus lost.North Vietnam then invaded and reunited North and South, thus winning the war.End of story.Argentina invaded British colonies, were defeated and sent packing.End of story or should be but Liberals like to whine.

Marcantilan 02-26-10 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1282005)
Tribesman, does not matter.When you lose a war, you lose and give up your claim to whatever.To the victors go the spoils of war.Typical Liberal to throw some piece of paper around.The US lost Vietnam, sure I could put a spin on it and say we chose to withdraw, which we did.However, we left because we lost the will to win and thus lost.North Vietnam then invaded and reunited North and South, thus winning the war.End of story.Argentina invaded British colonies, were defeated and sent packing.End of story or should be but Liberals like to whine.

Sorry, but doesn´t work that way in the real world.

antikristuseke 02-26-10 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1282005)
Tribesman, does not matter.When you lose a war, you lose and give up your claim to whatever.To the victors go the spoils of war.Typical Liberal to throw some piece of paper around.The US lost Vietnam, sure I could put a spin on it and say we chose to withdraw, which we did.However, we left because we lost the will to win and thus lost.North Vietnam then invaded and reunited North and South, thus winning the war.End of story.Argentina invaded British colonies, were defeated and sent packing.End of story or should be but Liberals like to whine.

You aren't exactly the yellowest banana in the toolbox, now are you?
The real world does not work that way.

Tribesman 02-26-10 09:55 PM

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Tribesman, does not matter.When you lose a war, you lose and give up your claim to whatever.To the victors go the spoils of war.
Blimey I must have missed that, which computer game was that the rules of?

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Typical Liberal to throw some piece of paper around
Errrrr... the British minister who negotiated the petrol/gas deal with Argentina was a conservative, though formerly he was a unionist , so he might be a "liberal" if you want to compare him to a real way out wingnut, but not if you are on any any plane of reality.

Bubblehead1980 02-27-10 04:07 PM

Actually it does work that way, that is what Argentina fails to see.I admit the US lost Vietnam and did you see us whine about it when the North took the South over? not really and we pulled out because we lost.Win some, lose some.Simple point is Argentina lost, so they should shut up about it or try to man up and fight for it if they feel that strongly about it.

I can see how a Lib disagrees because they are the people who came up with the idea for "participation trophies" for childrens ball games :har: You win or you lose, same in a ball game, same in life and same when it comes to war.The Falklands was not a draw though, Argentina invaded, was the weak sister so she lost and was kicked out, should be the end.Bottom line, the islands belong to the UK, get over it.

antikristuseke 02-27-10 05:10 PM

Does the concept of international politics completely elude your grasp?

Conflicts between nation states are ended with peace agreements, it has been that way for ages. Just because you want something to be simple, does not mean it is going to be. The world is a pretty complicated place it gets more complicated as you go up the hierarchy.

Kapitan 02-27-10 07:22 PM

Argentina flew the white flag over port stanley, the commander incharge of the forces for argentina signed the surrender which means he has signed to say his side lost, thats the end of it the islands after that bit of paper was signed were back under british control just like they have been for over 120 years.

Argentina lost surrendered and sent home end of.

XabbaRus 02-27-10 07:28 PM

Argentina unilaterally pulled out of the deal with the UK to share any profits in oil found down round the Falklands. I don't know why but I think what you are seeing here is a country that has realised it did somethine stupid, the UK now look to reap all the benefits so is making these moves in order to get some share of the oil.

If there was no oil down there either Argentina wouldn't give a monkeys or we would have given them back.

The thing is both countries claims to the Falklands is arguable if you go back in history with the French also being able to make a claim.


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