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Tchocky 05-09-08 10:39 AM

Well, yeah.

Anti-Muslim bigotry on the parts of Hagee/Parsley goes unnoticed, because it's a part of the political culture. Politicians want the Christian Zionist vote. There's no chance at all that a Muslim is going to be running for President this year, so there's no backlash against Parsley, or McCain's ties to him. But there are plenty of white people running, and plenty of white people voting, so Wright is a dangerous and politically toxic figure. Wright plays badly in Peoria, you won;t find anyone avoiding McCain because of Hagee/Parsley. Certain types of bigotry are fine and dandy.


McCain went chasing after Hagee.

TDK1044 05-09-08 01:17 PM

This is what you're going to see over the coming weeks:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/...rap/index.html

A constant trickle of SDs endorsing Obama on a daily basis. He will have negated Hillary's undoubted delegate wins in WV and KY before those primaries even happen. The same will happen for Puerto Rico.

Fish 05-09-08 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Fabricated.

AVGWarhawk 05-09-08 03:15 PM

This is all you need to see about our good buddy Obama. Not fabricated nor contrived. Not photoshopped or dubbed.....the truth:

http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

PeriscopeDepth 05-09-08 03:17 PM

Do some of you people work for these political campaigns? Or is it just 'volunteering'? :o

PD

Platapus 05-09-08 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
This is all you need to see about our good buddy Obama. Not fabricated nor contrived. Not photoshopped or dubbed.....the truth:

http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

Oh my. So they are poking fun at his middle name. How clever. Well I am swayed. I will be changing my voting practices based on the candidates middle name.

Because as the middle name goes, so does the candidate.:doh:

This is just one step above photoshopping a candidate's picture and adding a caption they never said.

I thought that stuff was very funny and clever... back in highschool

AVGWarhawk 05-09-08 03:27 PM

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Oh my. So they are poking fun at his middle name. How clever. Well I am swayed. I will be changing my voting practices based on the candidates middle name.
There was a big stink from his campaign folks about using his middle name. You make the call as to why.

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Because as the middle name goes, so does the candidate.:doh:
This is just silly and I know you ment it to me silly

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This is just one step above photoshopping a candidate's picture and adding a caption they never said.
Please, find anything in that clip that is a untruth. It is far and above one step over a photoshopped pick and caption. All of these clips and pictures have been in the national news.

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I thought that stuff was very funny and clever... back in highschool
Wake up and smell the coffee. Not funny or clever at all...truth. Again, everthing in this video was on national news and not made up.

TDK1044 05-10-08 10:22 AM

This type of video will be ever present in the Presidential race between McCain and Obama. I certainly expect to see Obama's core values challenged during those Presidential debates. The better Obama is doing in the race for the Whitehouse, the more of these videos you'll see.

Tchocky 05-10-08 10:29 AM

AVG, that every clip was on the news does not make it an honest video.

It's a rather interesting showcase of the avalanche of bull**** that infects American political discourse. There are similiar videos, all equally useless, for McCain and Clinton.

AVGWarhawk 05-10-08 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
AVG, that every clip was on the news does not make it an honest video.

It's a rather interesting showcase of the avalanche of bull**** that infects American political discourse. There are similiar videos, all equally useless, for McCain and Clinton.


I view over 5 news entities daily. Each and every one with the same clip and same story. Looked at Snopes.com as a last resort. I'm not one to believe everything I see at first sight. I guess then we can presume that all clips on the news are dishonest? Pastor Wright clip was filmed at his church by his own people. The same happens at my church. You can watch any service on any given Sunday. Not taken out of context at all. Obama spent better then 17 years attending this church. The church doctrine was immediately changed after the release of this video. Pastor Wright is a con man. Funny how he is retiring to a 1.5 million dollar home. He is living in the lap of luxary but has the right to GD America and how bad it is. Similary I have the right to disagree with Pastor Wright. He has conned the congregation at his church to the tune of a 1.5 million dollar home spewing hate from the pulpit. Funny how Sharpton or Jackson has not defended any of this. As far as the other facts, Obama's book describes his parents and his upbringing. I do not discredit Obama but his speeches are nothing but talking of change, yet, what does he really stand for? No one has a clue. About the only people who have a clue are terrorists in Iraq concerning pulling out the troops and how long they have to wait until that happens.

As far as Hillary, there is a library full of video with her and Bills nonsense. She and Bill do nothing but attempt to twist the rules or just ignore them so the end result is what they want. Study the White Water case and see how a drummed up technicality was created to get her off the hook. Currently these two are attempting to twist the rules for delegates and or attempting to ignore the rules and continue a losing campaign. This issue is far from over. Lets review the video from the "SNIPER FIRE" nonsense she attempt to get over on the voters. Oh, sorry, video speaks truth on that matter....."I mis-spoke" No, you friggn lied through your teeth like you and Bill have been doing for years.

McCain is just as whishy whashy as the rest concerning his stance and not my favorite either. In todays world, America needs someone who understands the system better then Obama and Hillary. Hillary says she has the experience. If a wife stands next to her husband who is a brain surgeon conducting surgery, does this make her a brain surgeon also?

If all of these videos are bull*** as you feel, were are all the defamation of character lawsuits? Judging by your train of thought on the videos, Obama could have several cases going and just retire after he is awarded millions of dollars. Did Obama not go to Philadephia and spoke for hours concerning race in America after the Pastor Wright video hit the net? You bet he did because it was all true. He had to quietly tell Pastor Wright to shut up. Pastor Wright has done anything but shut up since then. It is highly unlikely that Obama disagrees with Pastor Wright concerning his sermons. No one would sit for 17 years in the pew listening to that and not have to agree. Birds of a feather flock together.

Sure, some video are infections and are usually discredited immediately. The Pastor Wright video is not an infection. This issue still goes on today about it. Pastor Wright still makes appearence about it. Therefore, there is a issue here of grave concern and needs to be addressed. The video clip with Edward going after Obama and his voting record was on live TV. No one can call this an infection of clipped video. Edwards was right, what has Obama actually done as a junior Senator? Not much of nothing. There are too many issues and unanswered questions concerning Obama. I hope the next round with McCain will bring this to light.

Von Tonner 05-10-08 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
AVG, that every clip was on the news does not make it an honest video.

It's a rather interesting showcase of the avalanche of bull**** that infects American political discourse. There are similiar videos, all equally useless, for McCain and Clinton.

Unfortunately there are many in the USA, Hillary has identified them as uneducated, blue collared hard working Americans who will never accept a black man as president. Live with it AVG, OB is your next president no matter how many news casts you monitor a day.

TDK1044 05-10-08 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tchocky
AVG, that every clip was on the news does not make it an honest video.

It's a rather interesting showcase of the avalanche of bull**** that infects American political discourse. There are similiar videos, all equally useless, for McCain and Clinton.

Unfortunately there are many in the USA, Hillary has identified them as uneducated, blue collared hard working Americans who will never accept a black man as president. Live with it AVG, OB is your next president no matter how many news casts you monitor a day.


The Obama/McCain race will be very interesting. One common pattern has come out of the Democratic primary race, and that is that there is a certain amount of hesitency about actually placing the vote for Obama rather than just saying you're going to vote for him. Exit polls often had him scoring higher than he actually did but they were usually accurate with Hillary.

If John McCain was ten years younger, I would say that he would win easily, but his age, and the fact that he comes accross as a tired old man, will be a problem for the GOP. Obama's problems are that he's lacking in substance and experience. You can play the JFK role, but you've got to be able to deliver.

VP choices will be crucial.

Tchocky 05-10-08 02:41 PM

That something is true does not mean that is honest.
The things in the newsclips certainly happened. That isn't in doubt.
What's missing is explication and proper framing.

EDIT -
A single example - The video makes a sinister point about Obama not wearing a flag pin. In the service of finding out who he is, this would be a relevant piece of information is it served to distinguish him from the other contenders. But it doesn't. No-one else wears the damn thing either. Clinton doesn't. McCain doesn't.

EDIT #2 - Barely any of the candidates wore it from the start. Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, Bill Richardson, John Edwards, Chris Dodd didn't wear one. No wonder these domestic insurgents didn't get any votes. Cheese-eating surrender monkeys.
Thank God (Christian, white, 2nd Amendment God) that the GOP candidates wore it. How else are we to know they're not commies?
Oh, that's right. Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Sam Brownback, Jim Gilmore, Duncan Hunter and Mike Huckabee left theirs behind too.


Nevermind that it's a pointless non-issue to begin with.

NEON DEON 05-10-08 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus
"In looking at the rest of the states, there is not enough African Americans in Oregon for Obama to win there. 2% of registered voters are African American."

"Clinton will win the popular vote because there are no more black voters in the rest of the states and territories and no more caucases."

What a disturbingly racist statement to make.

No those are the facts. Just facts. Show me where Clinton won the Black vote in a primary. Just one.

Not even in Arkansas did she win the black vote. 74% of black voters voted for Obama in Arkansas.

In Obamas home state of Illinois, 93% of black voters voted for Obama.

On the last election day, in Indiana and North Carolina, 89% and 91% of black voters chose Obama.

In my opinion the numbers are more racialy disturbing than the reporting of the numbers will ever be.


Typical liberal crap. When you cant handle the truth you call them a racist.

Von Tonner 05-11-08 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044
Quote:

Originally Posted by Von Tonner
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tchocky
AVG, that every clip was on the news does not make it an honest video.

It's a rather interesting showcase of the avalanche of bull**** that infects American political discourse. There are similiar videos, all equally useless, for McCain and Clinton.

Unfortunately there are many in the USA, Hillary has identified them as uneducated, blue collared hard working Americans who will never accept a black man as president. Live with it AVG, OB is your next president no matter how many news casts you monitor a day.

The Obama/McCain race will be very interesting. One common pattern has come out of the Democratic primary race, and that is that there is a certain amount of hesitency about actually placing the vote for Obama rather than just saying you're going to vote for him. Exit polls often had him scoring higher than he actually did but they were usually accurate with Hillary.

If John McCain was ten years younger, I would say that he would win easily, but his age, and the fact that he comes accross as a tired old man, will be a problem for the GOP. Obama's problems are that he's lacking in substance and experience. You can play the JFK role, but you've got to be able to deliver.

VP choices will be crucial.

Agree with you 100%. By nature people fear change. To stand in a voting booth where the choice is "change" or "old order" will be a gut wrenching descision for your average American. Obama's choice of VP has got to help them have the courage for change and that is why I fervently hope he asks Wes Clark to be his VP. Not only does Wes Clark have a 'change' view ["I'm running to bring back the core ideals of our democracy - personal liberty, open debate, and opportunity for all. These ideals have made us great. They will make us greater. They will make us safer and more prosperous. Join me. We can have a new kind of patriotism in America. We can have a new kind of America."] that dove tails with Obama's but he will help negate McCain's image as the militarily tough guy ["I am Hamase's worst nightmare"]

But there is also an added advantage to a Obama/Clark ticket. I don't like what I am hearing about Hillary settling for the VP slot. I know that Michelle would fight this tooth and nail but in the end, politics makes strange bed fellows. Clark is a very good friend of the Clinton's, he supported her in her campaign so my thinking is, is that with Clark as the VP you keep the Clinton's on board so to speak. Rather have them standing in the tent and pissing out than standing out the tent and pissing in - to paraphrase a past US president.


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