As much as it may distress certain SH4 players/modders...

The fact that U-boat sim modders will be getting to grips and fleshing out the SH4 platform over time to suit the ETO is LOGICAL and IMPLACABLE.

Whether it is me, GWX devs, or whoever... it is a process that is unstoppable.

You can whine, threaten, complain, write speeches, and rate threads a "1" all you like. It changes nothing.

With or without GWX... It is happening. You can either accept it and reap the side benefits that will become available for the PTO, or go away.

Signed,
The "bastard, son-of-a-bitch" from the Atlantic.:|\\

The nazis in the game you nutter ;)

Ahh. Roger dodger.

Apologies. Didn't mean to throw you out of the foxhole with all the grenades I was shovelling out.:oops: :lol:

Edited me post.

I was simply stating that the UBoat missions neeeds a lot of modding . Hint Hint .

Ja we know. Big job there. We've already begun talking about that. It will require a total reconstruction due to the SH4 campaign loading structure... and will take a great deal of time. However it is certainly doable.

I was sitting here minding my own business.
Eating popcorn, working on the ********,;)
building a Udet, and UVing the Kolibri.
And you had to throw THAT in eh?
:damn:
:rotfl:

Well, I didn't say we were gonna have the campaign done tomorrow.:arrgh!:

BTW, you might want to put your helmet on and duck occasionally while you are over here.

Achmed is determined to blow himself up again.:lol:

FYI ,

for Neal stevens No-one is imume to act like an ass on these forums, no matter how much you tribute to this forum.

Ehm...I dont think Neal would apreciate that he has to clean up 1 or 2 corpses at the shooting range;) play nice now.

Comon guys, keep the Tones down, the vulgar words etc etc this thread has entered the red zone already. So drop the mud , clean up your hands and be nice now.

HunterICX

I'm locking this thread for 12 hours, I can see where this is leading. :nope:

That was a bit more then 12 hours, but.

Come on people.
We are all here for a very simple reason.
We all have a thing for Sub Sims!

I care less which Ocean I'm in.

I started with SH1, missed SH2 cause my computer could not run it.
So I hit SH3.

I'm into SH4, bought the day it was released and started modding it.
Do a bit of search.

I am not new to SH4.
So why all the hate?
What did I do to you but help where I could?

And by "I"?

I mean the many who started in SH3 who have moved to SH4.
I do not believe I need to list names.

Let's get over this silliness PLEASE!!

I think one core problem is that everyone has a vested interest in "their sub", and think "its the best". Challenge that belief, or insinuate an opposing opinion, and you ruffle feathers; sub simmers are a passionate bunch, Most of us being history geeks, and have a keen interest in something.

Trouble is, many of us only get informed on our "vested interest" because it helps us get into the game more, making the "emotional investment" all that much higher, and as by product, ignorance of the other only increases.

Having an ignorant view of someones vested interest, only polarizes them even further, and they start digging their heels in and push back a little, which only results in the same. The angst many PTO fans have, has been long time in the making. Add in a rather long wait for a PTO sub sim, and then toss in posts like "I dont want yankee-pig boats!" or "I dont want PTO!!!" that were posted on subsim before SH4 was even released, and ice that with snide comments about having beta'ed the game for the "real" campaign (that ignorant view i was talking about), and you have some really upset fans who wont put up with much messageboard BS.

I think The best way for this BS to stop:

1.) Stop with the my boat is better then your boat BS. Not everyone is going to agree with you, and Nobodies opinion will ever change anyway, so stop arguing it.

2.) Do not belittle the other campaign. PARTICUARLLY if you don't know much about it. On that note, one should at least make an attempt to become reasonably informed. (which admittidlly for the PTO is much harder to do since accounts are spread out all over the place.)

3.) Submarine warfare, by defination, is an immoral act. Any attempt to gain the moral highground on ANY BS topics, are rather moot. Uboats were not the shining knights of the sea, and fleetboats got their hands dirty like everybody else.

4.) Don't sterotype. Everybody's done this at some point, including me. If one reguritates the usual, "the US subs had it easy, AC, ice cream, and no danger, not exciting and not signficant!" BS mantra, one should expect to recieive the usual "Hitler and 3rd reich" mantra in return, and vice versa.


My 2 cents.

I'll concur with this.

Let's move on and start the new work shalll we?
:yep:

All we can do is see where it goes.

There is a Grand Adventure ahead Mates!!
Shall we set sail?
:up:

Respect my boat; and ill respect yours. :lol: (short version of my previous long winded post)

Sounds like a fine base to end this BS.
I'm on board.
:up:

Wow, this thread is more intertaining than any TV show! Well, maybe not the A-Team or Different Strokes, but I digress. I can't believe you all would take advantage of our beloved moderator (KP) while he's on holiday with his girlfriend. He's going to come back, and the thread will be on fire, broken windows, goats running wild through the house... and KP will have to clean up the mess.

I guess the next thing is, the PLA will be moderating this thread, and look what they are doing in Tibet.:o


Besides, everybody knows we should dump the U-boats and have I-boats (Japanese submarines) instead!:arrgh!: