We've had to deal with mod makers continually sniping and bickering, jealous rants, whining, bragging about how the world revolves around their mod, even really delusional theatrics touting they can do it better than the dev team (snort!), etc. It's a pain for us moderators to deal with, over and over, each mod makers PMing us and complaining how they are the good guy, so-and-so started it.... well, we accept we have to deal with it. It's a part of forum life.

You non-GW guys who cannot stand to see GW enjoy their work, you have to dig at them and stir up the crap, thanks for instigating these habitual flame wars. You know before you hit the POST button you are going to aggravate people. I've advised GW guys to ignore you, it keeps things in perspective. Let your work speak for itself, and stop this.

But when one guy cannot control himself any better than Dowly just exhibited, it crosses the line. This kind of thing is really unacceptable, it casts everything GW does in a bad light.

I like Dowly, looking forward to meeting him in the '09 Subsim meeting, if he can make it. Yeah, he's in the Brig for the foreseeable future. Do I have any choice? This type of forum posting goes well past "losing one's temper", it's abusive and insulting. He might as well slapped my face. I'm leaving his posts intact.

Neal

You have not heard from the others because they are not taking the bait. This is not "the public face of GW", this is Dowly acting badly. JS, please do not fan the flames.

In hopes of maybe soothing things just a tad, I do want to clarify that the talents of any of the modders in GWX were never called into question. Being in the industry I have a huge respect for the efforts and hours that go into modding/developing any game.

This conversation, and my initial comments, were about something else entirely.

I'm sure that's the case and I'm sure nobody ever questioned your well intended motives.

Jaesen I will speak only for myself here, but I don't really think there is a "party line" in GWX. I do agree that some ideas do seem similar but this is because we talk about these things all the time, so it makes sence to follow a similar way of thinking. As far as I am concerned I was never told what to say or not to say by anyone in GWX. If that was the case I would not be a member of the team. Don't get me wrong mate I do not try to push you or put you in a bad possition. You know how much I respect you and like you and I am just saying my opinion here.

As far as this thread is concerned my view is that this type of language and behaviour is unnecessary. There is no need to argue about SH4/SH3/GWX and god knows what else. It's just a game after all, so let's enjoy it and let's let the others enjoy it as well. The real test for anything in life is how long it can survive the test of time. If GWX (or any other of the great mods out there) can last then it means it's good. Let the Mods Speak for themselves. Some people will like them some will not. There is nothing we can do about that. It's the way life is. let's enjoy our game and let's let the others enjoy theirs.

In my line of work I have papers or ideas I put forward thought wrong by some people (thankfully not all the time). I am not going around arguing and shouting at them (that doesn't mean I'm not uppset BTW). I'm just letting my work stand the test of time and I'm always trying to become better by listening the feedback I get from my peers (this is something I know the GWX Team, Jaesen and most other modders actually do very well).

That's all I had to say and if I offended anyone I'm really sorry. I was not intentional.

Good Lord, all of this for some airplane request from the OP. Just moments after the keyboard smashing appears:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=123467

Added three more planes????? Nice work sir. I'd love to see this mod grow!


After reading all of this it felt like a Saturday night brawl amongst friends.

Mel, your level-headed opinions are always welcome mate. :up:

I think it's impossible that you would ever offend anyone. :up:

Thanks for the thumbs up Jaesen. Now let's all stop arguing and keep modding/playing the Submarine game we like and we enjoy ;) :up:

Keyboard smashing?

This was Neal's keyboard last night.....

http://www.MayhemOnStrings.com/Image...omputer4ri.gif

Every modder should be welcome on the forums. Discussions about who is the best modder do not create a supportive atmosphere for that. For new SH4 modders, who do not probably have time to go through the SH3 forum archives (not to mention that unfortunately those archives are not full) I just want to take a brief look at the early times of SH3:

Successful decoding of SH3 files started long before even existance of a thought about GWX and if I am not mistaken before any of current members of the GWX team was even around on the forums

The same goes for times when Sansal created and developed the Pack3d program for extracting/importing new models to SH3

Revision of current units/models and bringing new 3D models and working out the proceedure for doing that happened long before GWX existance

Tweaking configs, .mis and other files, testing and figuring out the content and consequence of changes and creating the pool of info started long before GWX

I would even dare to say that most of crucially important findings and discoveries for modding were made outside of GWX.

The GWX foundation as other supermods rests on findings and discoveries by modders who were there before, who are at least as talented as any of the GWX team members. In any case one should be very gratefull to the GWX team for taking it further, for their dedication and spending numerious hours, for hardworking for free. And so did the modders who were there before and therefore should not be forgotten. Most of them moved onto other things/games, etc. but that does not mean they should not be given credits.

I would pay little attention to Dowly's claims that almost everything in GWX was made from scratch, it is already enough to take a look at the acknowledgement section in the GWX manual to recognize contribution of other modders.

If the GWX team does not want to do modding for SH4, one still should support them in doing what they are interested to do, so they have a stimulus for their work. What should not be tolerated is undermining the work of other modders. Give it some time, I am pretty sure that SH4 modders will learn and grow up in their knowledge of the SH4 structure. Some talented people are still waiting to get into SH4 because of having weak computers.

This Dowly, he's got to be kidding !? Otherwise, what a nasty person.:nope:

@ sergbuto
Well said, man !!! :up:

Just came home from work... to a fading mushroom cloud here.

It is saddening that so many have decided their opinions without knowing the truth.

Given enough time... and it IS only a matter of time before everyone will be able to flick a switch and choose which theatre they'd like to swim in for the day. (In the SH4 environment.)

Sure we all have preferences... and tend to stick with those preferences when given a choice.

However, variety IMHO (... and being able to choose between a Gato and a Type VIIC...) is the spice of life.

We (the GWX dudes and dudette) did not invent modding. We pushed it.

Competition... at times nasty and unreasonable... did serve to better the field for all who had... and have... the courage to build and release mods.

Things will only get better for all... no matter what boat you like. (THEY ARE ALL DIESEL YOU KNOW!!! :up: :up: :up: )

Let's try to collect our wounded troops here and move on.

... Dowly... you are one lucky ferret.

... One last thing... as I recall... the U.S. Navy kicked the tar out of the Japanese Imperial Navy in WWII. With respect to our Lithuanian members... I reeeeallly think that the Lithuanian navy might have had a heavier work load had they attempted to do the same.

with respect.

You know, it's really easy to get caught up in the moment. And no matter how I felt at the moment, when the dust settles I always have regret and think "Man, I really don't want conflict with anyone". There are definately actions and behaviors here, that above all else, simply tarnish the image of Subsim.com, and that is completely unfair to Neal and his staff.


I do want to clarify my own comments in here, and I suppose this is largely directed to the GWX crew;

I use GWX. I'm looking forward to the new planes and skins. Being a longtime modder myself for other games, and now being closely connected to a major new game (check my sig link); I have a thorough apreciation for the efforts and achievements that have been done with SH3.

My only gripe, was some of the ugly events that I have seen unfold over in the SH3 modding world. I don't think that's an unfair statement, the threads and posts are there for all of Subsim to see.

I'll leave it short and sweet like that, with this last sentence;

Despite our differences, we should at the very least try to co-exist, and contain within ourselves those statements that we know will only provoke and instigate more problems. As a means of respect towards Subsim.com, we should simply ignore or avoid those things we which we do not like or care for. There's enough room here that there's 'something for everyone'.


In the end, we are in fact all drawn here for the exact same reason. Love of the sub sim. We should pause sometimes to remember, this is something that we all share in common.

Finally, while I do stand behind my perspectives, and my statements last night wholeheartedly; I do apologize for my part in the incident.


Cheers to all.

The GWX-mod is a great mod, I never would (will) question that. But there's so many other excellent stuff created. There would be no GWX mod, or any other mod in the first place if it wasn't for 'a community' to keep eachother going.

There really is no need to elevate anyone over anyone. This really bothered me when I read some of the posts of yesterday (besides all the swearing). :shifty:

Share knowledge, technology and content (especially the first two!), in the end we all win...

On topic - I think the GWX-planes are great :yep:, as I've said some days back on the SH3-preview topic. It's only a matter of time before we see other great Pacific related units in SH4 (apart from those that are already introduced). Especially if I get some bloody time to finish this crappy tool of mine :oops:

Just a though
 

Everyone has there favorites, ever consider modding SH 3 skins,units, events and ports into SH4 and making it a GLOBAL WAR ?!?!

Maybe donations to open/host up a server and fight one another in the Pacific, Atlantic etc??? VS in the forum? That might be UBI's plan for SH5, who knows.

Although not a tech expert, I think it is possible to port the sh3 stuff like planes to sh4 without any issues . Just ask the creator for permission and I see no reason you couldn't get it because of the benefit for all the silent hunter community.
But back to OT :doh: it's really a shame it had to end... It was really a VERY good laugh and I found it very amusing :rotfl:
greets