soldiers - fair game
civilians - no-go
neutrals - no-go

But if they are in the water they are helpless. It's like shooting a pilot after he's bailed out.

Ever heart of the German soldiers that were ferried in really small boats that were guned down by cruisers and destroyers (it was somewhere in the Med, probably Crete)? Shooting soldiers in life rafts (only if they are armed!) is the same as shooting soldiers in small tug boats and the like.

so?
:rotfl:

In the Med if German pilots could be captured they were not (Usually) killed.
If it was considered possible for German Air sea rescue to get them they were strafed in the water by RAF.
Not officially admitted but done on a regular basis.
I was researching a Malta campaign where RAF vets admitted it was common.
Of course, the Maltese civilians were worse to downed pilots so the Brits made it a point to try and get to them as fast as possible (These were on Malta ground pilots to be prisoners so the army did not have to make such decisions).
The point is like the Jap soldiers that would be picked up and sent into combat the downed German flyers because they could "NOT" be captured were a future threat and it was their believed opinion it was better to kill them now then wait until they returned in a new Ju-88 and a load of bombs.
We can comfortably argue over these moral issues because those men made the tough decisions when it mattered.
If we get this option I hope it is not just a fun to do thing but made in a way we must consider the action. If we MG troops, we get a pat on the back.
If we decide not to we get a report that those picked up soldiers caused disaster we could have avoided.
If we MG civilians we get arrested and the campaign ended.
If you do it twice, we send a jealous astronaut with mace and a BB gun in diapers to rough you up!
Wulfmann

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

It would be cool if SH 4 had a secret feature, where if you machine gunned life rafts, you were relieved of command and Starforce instantly installed on your machine :D

That would be torture! I'd rather sit in a life raft than having StarForce installed!:p:rotfl:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:That would really be a nightmare!!!

I am a little shocked at the bloodlust over this issue. SH4 is a simulation of US Submarines in the Pacific, not “Grand Theft Auto: Pacific.”

Besides the gunning down of lifeboats and people in the water by Wahoo, I really haven’t heard or read any other stories that stated it happened regularly at sea. I do agree that lifeboats adds to the “feel” of the game, but I do think shooting them should have some sort of punishment (loss of renown, relieved of command, etc).

However it would be just my luck that in the middle of a successful career I’d sink a ship in a convoy and while in the process of deck gunning a second, I’d either run over a lifeboat or end up hitting a bunch of survivors quickly ending my career.

What is the point in shooting at those poor chaps in the lifeboats? They will never reach port, they will just respawn on another ship..:roll:

The threat of Starforce is the ultimate control over any and all of our actions!

Evil ratings
1-Satan
2-Stalin
3-Hitler
4-Starforce
5-Saddam

Wulfmann

Bloodlust ? its a computer game...
You act like you have never seen a movie.
Go rent some tarentino or arnie flicks.

Yeah... and maybe we should start with the fat guys first. Just to add a little bit to the patrol's tonnage 50000tons + 95kg ! (that must be worth a badge) :nope:

I would not shoot survivors in lifeboats, unless they were within 2000yds of a beach where US troops were defending AND the lifeboats were filled with armed soldiers. (which if you read the incident told by O'Kane, is sort of how it went)

Frank

:cool:

I would like to suggest a different take on this issue of shooting lifeboats.

I have a tendency in "open" type games, whatever they are, to test the games reactions. So if I was to do it, it would only be to see what happens, I would not do it in a career...just to see if they have put any programming in. I would assume the game will end or something, or maybe the bullets have no effect. It really should be up to the paying consumer to do what he/she wants with the software, personal preferences are so different.

I know it's a "touchy" subject because this is based on real events.

Everyone may hate me but I like the idea of guys in life boats that you can save or leave to their fate. I have always, always wanted a game like this with animated people. I know it's all about the subs but Man!, it's gets kinda "scarey real" when you can see guys on the enemy ship as you take your shots.

...and underwater if they show little guys in the water...that will be amazing. To me it kind of makes me play the game MORE seriously because of real world physics and reactions.

I hope this makes sense, I have been away from SH3 for a while and just got back to it with the exitment of SH4 looming.

QUESTION: Do you "PRO SH SIMMERS" like the idea of little people in the game? or to you does it take away from the subs and ships? (by using up your PC processing).

I am very exited, I love this living world sim stuff, those WWII vets astound me with what they did.

Cheers and respect.