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Jimbuna 02-22-25 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2944913)
^ Like you I almost fail to understand how and how fast Trump destroys decade-long relations and cutting ties to former allies and friends.

That is my major concern also.....hopefully the Republican elite can reign him in but I doubt it.

MaDef 02-22-25 01:37 PM

↑↑↑ I hope not ↑↑↑

For a myriad of reasons.

Catfish 02-22-25 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman (Post 2944931)
^ Catfish the media keeps saying sources, what sources? find me a direct quote [...]

Ok i agree, I did not listen to these negotiations (read: blackmailing) myself, I looked at dependable media and believe them.

Like that one. Just READ it.

https://www.pgurus.com/us-pressures-...access-report/

They say there are three different believable sources about Kellogg's and Trump's demands regarding ukrainian mineral and rare earth resources, also it is perfectly in line with T's other politics. Maybe we will read who they are soon.

Otto Harkaman 02-22-25 02:07 PM

https://youtu.be/bgs1O9LUp68?si=57MlwBKuzkZXg1Xy

Catfish 02-22-25 02:54 PM

^ seems the author of this video does not like what Trump did. But then who does, apart from Putin or other dictators.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...kest-strongman

"Trump is the world’s greatest showman – and the weakest strongman it has ever seen
His capitulation to Putin over Ukraine reveals a pattern. He’s the patsy: giving everything away, getting little in return."

Never fall for the US again. Make Europe strong enough we NEVER have to go through such BS again.

mapuc 02-22-25 03:19 PM

Not taking his side I just wonder if we are misunderstanding him ?

Maybe we are getting our news from anti-Trump news sources as someone said here in this thread.

Markus

Buddahaid 02-22-25 03:27 PM

And he's a loser who only knows how to destroy things.

He just lost his first motion in the SCOTUS that ruled head of the Office of Special Council Hampton Dellinger stays in his chair until the judge rules in the case.

Also, CBS is fighting back on Trump's lawsuit over the Harris interview he claimed was edited to damage his campaign. I hope this one doesn't get dropped because CBS is asking for Trump's financial information in discovery.

And, AP has just filed a lawsuit over Trump's retaliation for AP not using Gulf of America claiming First Amendment violation. Mainstream media is going to stand up to the schoolyard bully finally.

Dargo 02-22-25 03:30 PM

How many 88 you need to see this administration are fascist!

Buddahaid 02-22-25 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2944978)
Not taking his side I just wonder if we are misunderstanding him ?

Maybe we are getting our news from anti-Trump news sources as someone said here in this thread.

Markus

I like to use legal documents in the courts to back up what I choose to believe. Trump is a pathological liar who says whatever he thinks people want to hear at the given moment.

Catfish 02-22-25 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDef (Post 2944945)
↑↑↑ I hope not ↑↑↑
For a myriad of reasons.

I'd like to hear of this myriad of reasons.

vienna 02-22-25 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Reece (Post 2944353)


Love the picture...

...although it seems like Mrs. Putin may have lost a bit of weight...

...must be all those approval polling points she shedding...




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vienna 02-22-25 06:55 PM

A bit of housekeeping...




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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace (Post 2943142)
Kamala Harris won Washington, Oregon, California, Illinois, Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Virginia, Delaware, New Jersey, Hawaii and all the New England States. Donald Trump won all the rest including the 7 battleground States like Ohio and Pennsylvania where Harris Campaigned extensively.

Donald Trump won 312 Electoral College Votes To 226 for Kamala Harris. 270 Electoral Votes were needed to win. That sounds pretty decisive to me. In fact, it sounds like a rout. Harris won 74,749,891 votes (48.3%) of the Popular vote to 77,168,458 votes (49.9%) For Donald Trump.

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA...S/zjpqnemxwvx/

Stop crying about it and get over it, Vienna. Mama Kamala was soundly beaten and that's it. Numbers don't lie.


This map looks pretty convincing too, by precincts. The red areas are for Trump.




https://external-content.duckduckgo....45a&ipo=images


Oooh, lookit da purty map!!...


The map does absolutely nothing to prove Trump got a majority of the popular vote; those 'county maps' have been trotted out since the 1980s by whatever party at the time is trying to make their candidate/party seem much more influential than the actual voting numbers attest; if you really dig into the geography of the map, an awful lot of that territory is very empty; aside from the obvious (Alaska, while huge only has a population of less than 750,000 and not all of them are voters), take four of those states near dead center of your map: Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Montana; those 4 sates count for only 5 of the total electoral votes in 2024 and all four states, together represent only about 1,275,00 total voters; they comprise a very sizable chunk of real estate, but they are some of the most sparsely populated states in the country; a lot of "Red" doesn't translate into an actual count of a lot of votes; the real measure is the real, raw count of the ballots, not a map that has no objective correlation to actual voting numbers; to further illustrate the disparity between such maps as you used and the actual numbers underlying, I offer up a map of the 2024 California results, by county, in those purdy colors you like:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:C...sults_2024.svg


On first glance, it would seem the GOP had a field day in the 2024 Election; however, the cold reality is a very substantial portion of those Red shades lie in some of the most sparsely populated rural areas of California, e.g., a lot of land not a lot of people; the far north of the state is wilderness and the southeast of the state is open land and some deserts and the Central part of the state is the vast San Juaquin Valley, which is primarily farmland; so, no your US map does not impress, if one knows what actual numbers underlays the purdy colors...

I'm still waiting for you to provide your proof of your claims that Trump has a "overwhelming" or "vast" majority of the US voters behind him...


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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 2943966)
What difference and who cares. Trump is the 47th President of the USA. Crying about it won't change that fact.
...

No tears on my part; remember, I am an Independent, not beholden or attached to any party; and, yes, Trump is the 47th president, but that doesn't mean he is sacrosanct and that others cannot speak against his idiocies and the idiots he has as minions...


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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 2943966)
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You do understand the meaning of the word majority don't you?
...


Actually, I really do, but it seems like not a few of the Trumpettes here have any knowledge or understanding of the concept; just look at what Webster's Dictionary says about the term 'majority':


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majority

noun

1a: a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total

a majority of voters
a two-thirds majority

1b: the excess of a majority over the remainder of the total : margin

won by a majority of 10 votes

1c: the greater quantity or share

the majority of the time

2a; the age at which full civil rights are accorded

The age of majority in the U.S. is 18.

2b: the status of one who has attained this age

graduated … before he had attained his majority
—W. L. Burrage

3: the group or political party having the greater number of votes (as in a legislature)

4: the military office, rank, or commission of a major

majorities and colonelcies were thick as June blackberries
—Dixon Wecter

5: obsolete : the quality or state of being greater


..." a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total"...somehow, 49.9% does not seem like a real majority...


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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 2943966)
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I've never said he was a strong candidate.

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...and I never said you, personally, did...



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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 2943966)

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Yea. Cry me a river. It's gonna be a long four years for the TDS crowd. I am sure there are therapy groups out there. Get help.


I don't need any help at all; I'm just enjoying watching the wheels start to come off the Trump Express; going in to this, I had no real worry (and I was on a 24/7 heart monitor during the election, so I have empirical evidence) because I pretty much knew what was about to transpire was going to be repeat of the first term Trump disaster; Trump. as I pointed out before, is highly predictable and is really easy to play on the Bingo card; so far, he has been true to his sorry form; and I didn't even worry about the numbskulls and whack jobs he's appointed to the various offices; the lifespan of a 'trusted' Trump appointee is exceedingly short, mainly because Trump will throw them under the bus if he catches any real heat and , also, because Trump has the ingrained notion that you can't be an effective boss if you don't fire people, and often (he very frequently criticized Biden for not being up to firing his appointees with regularity); this is backed up by Trump's first term track record of firings and/or resignations in the White House ranks; I really doubt there will be an intact cast of minions as it exists now when Mid-Terms rolls around, and I believe when the Mid-Terms start to get closer, y9u'll see a speedup in the sackings of the underlings as a means of trying to deflect from the failures of Trump's 'leadership'...

No, no worries or tears; when November 2026 rolls around, the expectation is Trump will be substantially curtailed, the GOP will lose either the House or Senate, or both, and the US voters will express their majority opinion of the train wreck that is Trump...


Then we will see the Real Trump Derangement Syndrome when the Giant Fat Lemon and the GOP and the Trumpettes lose their minds and wonder what went wrong...




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u crank 02-22-25 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna (Post 2945014)
I'm just enjoying watching the wheels start to come off the Trump Express

Well whether they come off or not, Donald Trump will be President till 2029. Hope you are entertained. I will be.

vienna 02-22-25 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2944983)
I like to use legal documents in the courts to back up what I choose to believe. Trump is a pathological liar who says whatever he thinks people want to hear at the given moment.


I just wanted to add my two cents in defense of posters like Buddahaid: he, and a few others, really do post and provide material which has a real basis in fact and truth, not in opinion; a court filing is a court filing, a judicial decision is a judicial decision, and a law, as writ, is a law; the disparagement of those posters is shameful to a very great degree and the abuse they are subject to is even more shameful; I am very impressed with the forbearance of Buddahaid and admire his patience and his sense of purpose; in the midst of the fertilizer storm that often occurs on this thread, his ports are refreshing, succinct reminders that the truth is out there if you look for it and that the truth actually matters; I'd rather read one of his posts than the litany of YT opinion videos by dubious characters or the op-ed attack pieces so often posted in this thread; he, and others like him actually post verifiable facts, not social media pap...


To Buddahaid: :salute:




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Reece 02-22-25 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vienna (Post 2945018)
I just wanted to add my two cents in defense of posters like Buddahaid: he, and a few others, really do post and provide material which has a real basis in fact and truth, not in opinion; a court filing is a court filing, a judicial decision is a judicial decision, and a law, as writ, is a law; the disparagement of those posters is shameful to a very great degree and the abuse they are subject to is even more shameful; I am very impressed with the forbearance of Buddahaid and admire his patience and his sense of purpose; in the midst of the fertilizer storm that often occurs on this thread, his ports are refreshing, succinct reminders that the truth is out there if you look for it and that the truth actually matters; I'd rather read one of his posts than the litany of YT opinion videos by dubious characters or the op-ed attack pieces so often posted in this thread; he, and others like him actually post verifiable facts, not social media pap...


To Buddahaid: :salute:




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