The ukrainian consitution does not explicitly rule out elections in times of war, but perfectly leaves open the option to not hold them, and this is reasonable, because under current circumstances it is practically impossible to hold fair elections where really every voter eligible to vote could give his ballot, if he wants. Millions are away from the country, and inside the o****ry many are in the trenches, live in ruins and bombed out towns, get bombed day and night, are in isolated areas under fire, or live under Russian occupation.



In other words, you cannot have, in no way, a representation of the total electorate. Trump plays foul with his demands. And you all know it! His minions in state opffices repeating his demands, are nothing more than just his pisspot-holders.



If there is a dictator-like state leader in office, then its in Washington.

Suspending the democratic process in time of war is something the United Kingdom itself did between 1914-18 and 1939-45.

Churchill wasn't elected as our PM in 1940, but was appointed to the position.

The same applies to David Lloyd-George when he took over from Herbert Asquith in 1916.

Having continuity of government during a time of crisis was deemed more important. So what Starmer's said on the subject of Ukraine's electoral process is in line with historical precedent from the British perspective.

Mike.

Only because it doesn't agree with yours. As for propaganda, the only propaganda I've heard or seen on this, is what comes out of the the larger world news organizations (primarily the BBC). I don't watch You tube videos or listen to blogs on the issue.

As I said way back in the beginning in this thread, We in the U.S. see this as a regional issue and there is no upside to getting involved. but the liberal politicians here (Obama, Biden, Clinton) decided to involve the U.S. and now Trump has decided that after wasting 87 Billion dollars, it's time to turn off the money spigot. If those of you in Europe feel that strongly about Ukraine continuing the war, you should have no problem ponying up the money and material to continue. :salute:

This is a very accurate description of yourself and your "thinking".

Allocations and commitments January 24, 2022 to December 31, 2024:

• Europe, Total allocated aid: 132.26 € billion. Aid To be allocated: 115.11 € billion.
• United States, Total allocated aid: 114.15 € billion. Aid To be allocated: 4.84 € billion.

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-a...pport-tracker/

Europe Eyes Unprecedented €700 Billion Military Aid Plan for UkraineEU looks at tapping €93bn in unspent Covid recovery funds for defence European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen mentioned the financing option at a meeting of the centre-right European People’s party on Tuesday, according to four people with knowledge of the discussion. The bloc’s additional financing needs for defence are estimated at about €500bn over the next decade. The EU could also repurpose regional development funds, von der Leyen said, and mentioned “common European financing” as another option being explored, according to one of the people familiar with the matter.

I'm not so sure on that. I am all for Trump dealing with fraud and waste, the Migrant problems and things like that. The Ukraine is another matter. I am also aware of the costs the U.S and taxpayers have had to shoulder as well with regards to supporting the Ukraine. The reality is, Russia won't stop at Ukraine and wants to re institute the old borders of the former Soviet Union.

Russia has threatened other Countries, including NATO Countries as well. I think this is short sighted approach, with regards to the Ukraine and just wrong. If Russia threatens our fellow NATO members, then the U.S would be involved in a much larger fight and War. Better to stand up to a bully like Russia now. I think the stupid rhetoric by Trump that Zelenskyy started this war and is a Dictator is wrong as well.

The reality is, If the U.S hadn't been so stupid, the Ukraine would have had a credible Nuclear deterrent against Russia. in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the Ukraine agreed to relinquish its nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the U.S., U.K., and Russia regarding its sovereignty and territorial integrity. It can therefor be viewed that the U.S is backing away from it's agreements and in the process, throwing the Ukraine to the Wolves. If the U.S didn't want to be responsible for the Ukraine, they should have stayed out of the Budapest arrangement that saw the Ukraine disarmed. For me, It's about honoring your commitments and agreements.


https://www.nti.org/analysis/article...r-disarmament/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Brilliant Elon at work... Trump administration wants to un-fire nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how to reach them

This is why Americans are special. :03: , We have never never ever suspended an election. Even during the Civil War come election time, the citizens cast his vote.:D

The lying Donny says it were 350 bn the US has given :D , thats not true, but Donny has the talent to make false claims appear as real so that his church is believing it. And he wants not European Euros (and why would he want these, he has Dollars as made of paper as the Euros are) , but he wants total control over Ukraine's mineral and rare earth ressources. According exports form China have recently been banned by Bejing.

And yes, I take his way to let Ukraine fall very angrily. Its worse than what was to be expected. In principle he is Putin at Halloween, wearing a Donny mask, and Halloween lasting all year long. I wonder when Lying Donny starts to hold his speeches and conferences in Russian. Maybe when Puti ahs completely pulled him over the table and there is nothing more left to get from him. LOL

Hey, you get it! Lil' Donny makes it sound like the US is handing over money in sacks, but it's arms and the US economy is employing people to do so.

Thank the gods there are judges doing their jobs standing up for law and order and checking the dirtbag. That sack of dung has put out another executive order saying the Executive Branch with the DOJ interprets the law. Wrong! The Constitution Article I says the Legislative Branch makes the law, Article II says the Executive Branch executes the law, and Article III says the Judicial Branch interprets the law.

In 1864 97% of the US counties were not affected directly by or under threat of military action. Oh, and of course only about 8% of the population were eligible to vote, the rest being not old enough, not white enough, not rich enough or not male enough.

During the industrialised wars of the 20th century no part of the US homeland was under threat of military action of any sorts during an election.

Britain in 1944 was still under air attack, with almost all of the country in range of bombers and rockets. Ukraine as a whole is under threat of Russian attack today, even the westernmost parts.
So, America might be special in that regard, but it's not an achievement of its people.


And, as I might add, it seems that the British and the Ukrainian people trust(ed) their leaders enough to return back to democratic ideas once the crisis in their respective countries is over. I can definitely understand why Americans don't have that trust, considering your current president...

When most women will select having a Taylor Swift ticket over having a bit coin, maybe it should still be this way. :har:

https://9gag.com/gag/avyzN3n

Have erased my comment, since it was totally wrong, sorry

Markus

Europe can eat cake

Yep, we can, because we can afford to buy eggs.