Macron is nearing the end of his tether and I can't say I blame him.

Tis a pity they can't agree on much else.

So Johnson says he wants elections in decembre.


Well, so far he wanted a lot. And got practically nothing. At least what you want and what you get are two different things.



Why would Labour want elections now? Chances are their position weakens with elections, so why would they want to agree to elections?

Are you perhaps missing the point Sky?

For a few months now Labour have been demanding an election. Next they said they would agree if a Brexit extention was granted and that is looking increasingly likely.

Next they refused to have an election and refused the WAB saying that only three days of debate wasn't enough.

Boris has said here's your WAB debate extention in return for a December election and it is looking increasingly likely they will refuse that.

So precisely what on Gods earth is Steptoe after?

I should imagine the electorate will turn against Labour in droves if they continue to block progress repeatedly.

Could he be fishing for a second referendum and until this happens if it does...uphold(not the correct word) the Parliament as long he can do it...meaning do anything to prevent a brexit

Markus

Jean-Claude Juncker accuses Boris Johnson of spreading 'lies' during Leave campaign.

I'm not saying I disagree with him but the timing of this announcement is a little questionable.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...id=mailsignout

Jpohnson is a notorious liar, it seems, all life long, so to speak. That is no question, but known sinc elong. Question is why so many voters beoleived him nevertheless? Question also is whether this can be an excuse to rig laws and rules and to repeat as often as wanted, since lying is integral part of politics and every career politician tries to bribe his voters with fairy tales and debt-raising "presents" (that the gifted in the end have to pay for, and with interest).


Its time to replace the voters and get a more educated and competent electorate.

That is easier said than done because peoples beliefs have been ingrained since birth.

Which pretty much sums up why I am against a general right to vote, since a couple of years. I demand that political and voting decisons are not made due to "habit", or "belief" of "family tradition"".I would rather prefer to flip a coin, like it was tried in ancient Greece at times. Not that it workd that much better, where there is a will to corrupt a system, it will be done. When you want to vote, two conditions must be filfilled: you must have more own contributions to the system/community in the fire than you have net benefits, and you must have the reason and competence and a sense of responsibility that is able and willing to look beyond yourself. in other words, this modern idea of democracy with its holy status for elections has the same flaw like socialism/Marxism: it bases on a totally illusional, unrealistic idea of man. We are not like this. And that is why both system do not work as advertised. They adress the wrong species.


Meanwhile a survey that shows how toxic the climate in Britain seems to have become:


https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/news/view/...-and-the-union

The only way Bojo is going to get his election is to take "no deal" off the table or to put it another way call Labour's bluff. As for myself I will not be voting because of many issues.

Those stats and in particular the ones referring to violence are really quite shocking!!