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Exocet25fr 06-19-23 10:39 AM

Russia Offers Troops $1.2K Bonuses for Destroyed Western Tanks

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/...western-tanks/



Russia claims it blew up a tank full of explosives

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/19/e...ntl/index.html


25-30% of Western Equipment in Ukraine Estimated Destroyed

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/ar...e-burns-kornet

mapuc 06-19-23 03:38 PM

My little sister bought this book The Danish version.

https://www.amazon.com/How-West-Brou.../dp/0991076702

Haven't read it myself and I'm pretty sure that it contain misinformation.

'Cause it was not USA/NATO who brought the war to Ukraine it was Russia from 2014.

Markus

August 06-19-23 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2872754)
'Cause it was not USA/NATO who brought the war to Ukraine it was Russia from 2014.

Markus


I guess it's our fault for not telling the Ukrainians that they should present their backsides to the hungry russian bear in the hope it would take a gentler bite.


According to them what we should have said is:

"Don't resist! Let the russian gangster regime send their armies of soldiers and policemen and paid thugs to murder and jail your leaders and occupy your homes and rape your women and disappear your children and rob your family of everything they own just because we don't want to see a war over there."


...Said no real friend ever.

Jimbuna 06-20-23 04:07 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGbv2rQdTCU

Jimbuna 06-20-23 05:36 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIIF_ryrPsc

Exocet25fr 06-20-23 05:53 AM

and here we are almost there !:doh:

Jimbuna 06-20-23 06:13 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRL3Nlu9uts

Skybird 06-20-23 07:37 AM

This analysis cannot be liked. But it says pretty much the same things I critically remarked in the past days and weeks.

https://www-achgut-com.translate.goo..._x_tr_pto=wapp

I have serious doubts the Ukrainians will make it to the coast.I do not rule it out, but I think chances are against that. The small territorial gains that get blown up in propaganda videos across the web, in princple are pretty meaningless so far, and while they do not even represent 10% of the distance from the front to the coast, acchieving these minor gains already almost locked down one third of the Ukrainian attack forces. Very important, it gets reported that they have lost a very significant ammount of their mine clearing vehicles already. With that math, they cannot succeed. And mind you, the battles so far mostly take place in the area in front of the first defense line, in German that zone would be called "Vorpostenlinie" (outpost line?). the Ukrainians have not even touched the real defences erected by the Russians so far - but already are seriously slowed down (before they announced an operative break, which may also be just an attempt to verbally cover that they got bogged down - I do not say it is so, but I could imagine that it is so).

The Russians have air superiority over the front currently. Ukrtiane will not get fighters in this noffensive.

The Ukrainians completely lack any element of surprise. The Russians have them where they want them: needing to attack through a death maze into heavily fortified defence positions and along two attack axis the Russians had nine months to anticipate: towards Melitopol and Mariupol.

The media of course must play the role of being optimistic and enthusiastically cheering up the Ukrainian effort. I do not trust them. I think Ukraine'S status is much more serius than our media make it out to be, also for economical reasons.

Jimbuna 06-20-23 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2872842)

The media of course must play the role of being optimistic and enthusiastically cheering up the Ukrainian effort. I do not trust them. I think Ukraine'S status is much more serius than our media make it out to be, also for economical reasons.

Me neither but rather that than Russian propaganda.

Skybird 06-20-23 09:50 AM

Propaganda is propaganda. Always a lie.

mapuc 06-20-23 10:25 AM

....and how much correctness has we seen from these experts.

I believe they have some success in some areas, and setbacks in others.

You're right the Russians has fortified their defence lines and thereby make it harder to penetrate.

Markus

Jimbuna 06-20-23 11:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CQSEeSqxRY

Dargo 06-20-23 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2872858)
....and how much correctness has we seen from these experts.

I believe they have some success in some areas, and setbacks in others.

You're right the Russians has fortified their defence lines and thereby make it harder to penetrate.

Markus

Russians fortification of their defense lines was in the planning of Ukraine army also if or when they blow up a dam nobody said this would be easy, offensive is never easy and without high loses. They can do it would not say all to the sea, but they could break through nobody can predict the outcome there is no magic wand we have to wait this can take months. Known is that Ukraine with this probing already have in two weeks more gained than the Russian have in months Russian air superiority is also no certain thing Ukraine has the AIM-9 missiles that with the NASAMS ground-based launch system can fire above 30 kilometers, three times the range of the Ka-52’s long-range anti-tank missile.

Catfish 06-20-23 12:35 PM

I take it if Ukraine somehow manages to get back Crimea the war will be over :hmmm:

Dargo 06-20-23 12:37 PM

Ukraine’s defense minister warns against unrealistic expectations for Ukraine’s counteroffensive
Expectations for blitzkrieg progress are based on Ukraine’s successful operations to liberate Kharkiv and Kherson oblasts, but the weather, terrain, and conditions are totally different now

Ukraine’s Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov has urged for patience regarding the current counteroffensive, stating that the situation differs significantly from the swift progress made in the Kharkiv Oblast. In an interview with Current Time, Reznikov attributed heightened expectations around Ukraine’s counteroffensive to fall of 2022, during which Ukraine made two lightning campaigns to liberate Kherson and Kharkiv oblasts. The Kharkiv operation was very fast, successful, unexpected for the enemy, for the world community, and for many Ukrainians. A well-thought-out military operation, well planned and implemented. The Russians were not ready, so we successfully reached the Oskil River,” Reznikov said.

However, the minister noted that the situation in Kherson was different, with slower progress due to different terrain, weather conditions, and other factors. He emphasized that it is unrealistic to expect the same speed of progress as in Kharkiv, given the different front line, terrain, and weather conditions.

“Plus, the Russians had a chance to prepare. The density of minefields is incredible. Unlike the Russians, Ukrainians cherish the lives of their soldiers. The Russians use their soldiers as cannon fodder,” Reznikov pointed out.

Reznikov stressed that the life and health of servicemen are of paramount importance for Ukraine, unlike Russia, and therefore the Ukrainian army does not employ a “meat grinder” tactic.

“Our officers, our commanders maneuver, look for opportunities, move carefully. I suggest not to rush them, not to push, they are doing their job. And they will do it,” the defense minister declared.

On 19 June, the Ministry of Defense reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are advancing on Melitopol and Berdiansk, and within a week, eight populated areas in the Tavriya direction were liberated: Novodarivka, Levadne, Storozhove, Makarivka, Blagodatne, Lobkove, Nenudne, and Piatyhatky. https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/06/...sive/?swcfpc=1


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