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And they did it, they claim! BBC just reports the Ukrainians have retaken control over Kharkiv!

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2795791)

And they did it, they claim! BBC just reports the Ukrainians have retaken control over Kharkiv!

Hopefully accurate reporting. Call me biased but the BBC to me is the most believable news source.

The not so great patriotic war. I wonder if Putin has been cast as Hitler in The Fall yet?

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2795795)

The not so great patriotic war. I wonder if Putin has been cast as Hitler in The Fall yet?

Vladolf :03:

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2795794)

Hopefully accurate reporting. Call me biased but the BBC to me is the most believable news source.

I use BBC as a reliable source too. First I read Danish then Swedish news and last BBC and sometime also CNN.

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The new sanctions imposed last night will hit the ordinary Russian citizen on the wallet very hard.
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Markus

As many have pointed out it's interesting Putin's attack strategy. Why didn't he use cyberwarfare to shut Ukraine down before the attack? Would keeping Zelenskyy off air had any impact on morale? Thankfully Putin hasn't resorted to massive carpet bombing campaigns. It seems he's willing to take the slow approach and absorb losses rather than let the world see the monster he's been in the past, but he doesn't want his oil payments cut off, so he could care less how many of his conscripts die taking the meatgrinder approach. Until NATO actually cuts Putin's oil off, Putin will keep going since we're funding his invasion and it's doubtful we'll be able to fund Ukraine enuf now to stop it. Typical West approach, fund everyone. Course if we totally cut his energy off, he may take the gloves off. All I see is a long painful escalating war because of the energy game. As good as Ukraine is putting up a fight right now, the politics of energy will allow it in the short term.

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2795784)

So do I!!

Also, this. Yesterday, or the night before, there was a news snippet on TV, shpwing Ukrainian civilianms shouting at an obvious Russian POV. The man looked extremely young, almsot a boy. He cowered on the ground, holding his head with helmet between his head, and did not move, just stared in what I interpreted as disbelief, complete disbelief. The Ukrianians did not beat him, did not kick him, just threw angry words at him, but he was not pohysically absued.

I felt compassion with that young man. Is this the "enemy"? That young man has just realised the world around him collapsing. He probably is a conscript, who was told he is going on a manouver, then that he is going to be part of the liberating of a brother people that will chant and enjoy being liberated and will welcome him with open arms because big father Putin is protecting the Rodina and the Ukraine from the evil West and all the blablabla from the propaganda books. And then he finds himself in this hell around him. Who knows what he has seen before. How many of his comrades he saw lying dead on the ground before he got captured. I would not assume that all Russian soldiers there want into battle enthisoiastically and singing songs. I absolutely doubt that.

Fully agree with your point here. Also on the russian side there are young men, more often boys it seems, who are victims of circumstance. Many pictures has emerged on ukrainian news outlets of POWs. Most of them seem shameful, afraid and not arrogant / proud of their role.

The higher ranks seem to be roughed up and degraded a bit more.

A lot of information is streaming out of https://censor.net, events are published as they happen, backed up with videos and photos. It takes quite some time before western media reports the same, so definitely recommended if you follow the war. What is really apparent is that Russia continues to lose a large amount of vehicles and choppers. Half an hour ago another 2 helos went down. If the number of armored vehicle losses is correct, 706 lost is just staggering..

@Armistead: Very, very true!

The above link doesn't work :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2795810)

The above link doesn't work :hmmm:

Sorry, it is supposed to be: https://censor.net

I have just used google translate whole site to read it, although I see now you can just choose english from the menu in the upper left.. :haha:

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Originally Posted by Andreas86 (Post 2795811)

Sorry, it is supposed to be: https://censor.net

I just use google translate whole site to read it, although I see now you can just choose english from the menu in the upper left.. :haha:

Working now thanks.

The Guardian and Sky News reports:

"Putin orders Russia's nuclear deterrence forces on high alert".

"Russian president Vladimir Putin has ordered his military to put the country’s nuclear deterrence forces on high alert in response to “aggressive statements” by NATO countries.

The order, which was announced by the TASS news agency, came at a meeting between Putin, defence minister Sergei Shoigu and chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia Valery Gerasimov.

“Senior officials of the leading NATO countries also allow aggressive statements against our country, therefore I order the Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff [of the Russian Armed Forces] to transfer the deterrence forces of the Russian army to a special mode of combat duty,” Putin said in the statement, which was quoted by state-run TASS.

It is not immediately clear what the “special mode of combat duty” entailed. Putin has warned foreign countries not to interfere in his ongoing invasion of Ukraine, saying it could lead to “consequences they have never seen.” He has positioned anti-air missiles and other advanced missile systems in Belarus and deployed his fleet to the Black Sea in an effort to prevent a western intervention in Ukraine.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has confirmed that negotiations between Kyiv and Moscow will now be held at the Belarusian-Ukrainian border.

A statement from Mr Zelenskyy's office said the two delegations will meet "without preconditions" near the Pripyat River.

The development came after Alexander Lukashenko, the president of Belarus, called Mr Zelenskyy this afternoon.

The statement said Mr Lukashenko "takes responsibility for all planes, helicopters and missiles located on the Belarusian territory to stay on the ground during the time of arrival, negotiations and return of the Ukrainian delegation".

Earlier, Mr Zelenskyy had refused for Ukraine to meet with a Russian delegation in Belarus.

Abramobitch, what annoys me about him is everyone KNEW he was russian mafia, and did nothing.

Putin, according to FRance 24 tv, has put Russian NUCLEAR deterence force on high alert.

If he fires, Moscow will vanish under a mushroom.

Was listening to Ukrainian support here in the UK on GBNews. They already have trucks of aid heading for Poland for the Ukrainian refugees and millions in cybermoney has reached Ukrainian banks.

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Originally Posted by Andreas86 (Post 2795814)

This is very scary thing to read.

Markus