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Jimbuna 10-17-19 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2632684)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50077384

The nameless one will not do a dam thing at all that vile thing.

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It is only the second time the government-funded equality watchdog has investigated a political party, after ordering the far-right British National Party to rewrite its constitution in 2010.
Says it all really.....apart from terrorist sympathies.

Jimbuna 10-17-19 04:24 AM

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Boris Johnson has suffered a blow to his proposed Brexit deal as the Democratic Unionist Party said it cannot support plans "as things stand".

The support of the Northern Irish party is seen as crucial if the PM is to win Parliament's approval for the deal in time for his 31 October deadline.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50077760
It must feel like it's nigh on impossible to please all the players, too many divergent priorities.

Jimbuna 10-17-19 04:46 AM

BREAKING NEWS

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A Brexit deal has been agreed between UK and EU negotiating teams before a meeting of European leaders in Brussels.

The two sides have been working on the legal text of a deal, but it will still need the approval of both the UK and European parliaments.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson tweeted: "We've got a great new deal that takes back control." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50079385
Looking forward to seeing the detail but I doubt it will be plain sailing.

Skybird 10-17-19 04:58 AM

I admit I did not expect a treaty becoming real. But now that it is, Johnson has passed the easy part of the job only.


I expect open bills getting settled against him, and then there are those who will find it hard to accept that the UK has de facto given up full soverignty over Northern Ireland there. Could in the future become the opening act of a full separation from the UK.



Personally I think an arrangement with customs controls in the NI sea/harbours was the most likely - because only - possible way out of the deadlock. I just did not expect that they would really do it. And maybe Johnson would have done so without the legal pressure to ask for an extension if there is no Brexit with a deal done.


One needs to read the details, though, what concessions the UK made and how the eU could possibly abuse NI's status to rip it out of the UK or to use it as a beahead for eroding the UK's sovereignty again.

Catfish 10-17-19 04:59 AM

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Prime Minister Boris Johnson tweeted: "We've got a great new deal that takes back control."
Clever Cummings, and all aping his rubbish.
Take back control, yes. I guess that is what it all was about. You will now roll back all: take back control of the mess in Syriah, Iran, Afghanistan, the Internet, global warming, commuting infrastructure in England and all else you blame others for. Good luck.
'Sorry' but when i see empty words being sold as the solution for all problems i call bull.

Jimbuna 10-17-19 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2632729)
I admit I did not expect a treaty becoming real. But now that it is, Johnson has passed the easy part of the job only.


I expect open bills getting settled against him, and then there are those who will find it hard to accept that the UK has de facto given up full soverignty over Northern Ireland there. Could in the future become the opening act of a full separation from the UK.



Personally I think an arrangement with customs controls in the NI sea/harbours was the most likely - because only - possible way out of the deadlock. I just did not expect that they would really do it. And maybe Johnson would have done so without the legal pressure to ask for an extension if there is no Brexit with a deal done.


One needs to read the details, though, what concessions the UK made and how the eU could possibly abuse NI's status to rip it out of the UK or to use it as a beahead for eroding the UK's sovereignty again.

Me neither and yes the easiest part only has been achieved. Now we will see the horse trading and the bickering and fighting in Parliament with the likely consequence the deal may well be rejected.

I suspect the devil will be in the detail when we get to see it. There is still a long road ahead.

Jimbuna 10-17-19 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2632730)
Clever Cummings, and all aping his rubbish.
Take back control, yes. I guess that is what it all was about. You will now roll back all: take back control of the mess in Syriah, Iran, Afghanistan, the Internet, global warming, commuting infrastructure in England and all else you blame others for. Good luck.
'Sorry' but when i see empty words being sold as the solution for all problems i call bull.

I'm no fan of Boris or Cummings Kai but let us wait and see what lies (no pun intended) ahead.

As I've already told Sky, the devil will be in the detail and we are far from getting everything sorted.

Again, as Sky said, this could well be the catalyst for the break up of the Union.

Skybird 10-17-19 05:22 AM

One has to give it to Johnson that he managed to get more from the eU than May. The NI sea thing in principle is something that already May had brought up - and the EU all out rejected it back then. The diplomatic value of fancy shoes seems to be limited.

Jimbuna 10-17-19 05:28 AM

I'm waiting to see the detail before making that judgement call.

Skybird 10-17-19 05:29 AM

BTW, the DUP keeps saying "No".



But the deal, even if not passing parliament, must raise Johnsons election chances, he can now point fingers at the others.

STEED 10-17-19 05:30 AM

Watching Q&A with the EU Commission and he said in most part it's the same as MayBots apart from the NI and the DUP have already said they can not back it. I would not be surprised if Parliament rejects it.

STEED 10-17-19 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2632744)
But the deal, even if not passing parliament, must raise Johnsons election chances, he can now point fingers at the others.

If this deal is disliked by the Brexit Party Bojo will find it harder to win.

Jimbuna 10-17-19 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2632744)
BTW, the DUP keeps saying "No".



But the deal, even if not passing parliament, must raise Johnsons election chances, he can now point fingers at the others.

The DUP will be bribed but will they accept?

STEED 10-17-19 05:53 AM

Just one final thing....

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Legal bid at Court of Session to stop MPs debating Brexit deal

Anti-Brexit campaigners are to launch a legal bid to stop the UK government from putting its proposed withdrawal agreement before Parliament.

They believe it contravenes legislation preventing Northern Ireland forming part of a separate customs territory to Great Britain.

MPs are due to debate the agreement at a special Commons sitting on Saturday.

Campaigner Jo Maugham QC initially announced plans to petition Scotland's highest civil court on Thursday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-50076186







I'm done with this until Sunday as its all now hear say, may be, could be, possible if...AND SO ON.

Jimbuna 10-17-19 05:59 AM

See ya Sunday then.


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