SUBSIM Radio Room Forums - Here we go again-Ukraine once again

The current battle movements are different from earlier, in recent weeks we saw a lot of fighting in depth, away from the frontline. Now we are really seeing fighting on and around the frontline. And not only there, but also in the north we are seeing fighting. So those are indeed indications that there is more going on than some occasional fighting. We are, I think, really in the first phase of the offensive. Ukraine will undoubtedly attack in more places than one, if it is really true. It will really take a few days before we know that the offensive is underway, and especially before we know where the center of gravity is, before knowing where Ukraine wants to break through.

Yep they may not know exactly where themselves until their probing attacks reveal where the Russians are the weakest.

mapuc

06-05-23 12:01 PM

I thought they would concentrate their forces and attack a small part of the frontline...E.g Donbass region or in Kherson region in order to cut of supply lines by cutting the Russian forces in two or three.

Attacking over the entire frontline was not expected.

Markus

Dargo

06-05-23 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2870563)

This is to test where the Russians are weak after this Ukraine will concentrate where they think they can break the Russian lines

Jimbuna

06-05-23 12:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXvo4RZ6GEc

Jimbuna

06-05-23 12:36 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x43aKZIhiVU

Dargo

06-05-23 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2870563)

Much of the original reporting on where Ukraine is probing is exactly where the Russians might have expected them to attack and where the Russians had strong positions. The Ukrainians are excellent at controlling the information space, and one of the ways they do this is to saturate it with lots of different noises.

Dargo

06-05-23 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2870572)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x43aKZIhiVU

That images emerge of burning tanks and armored fighting vehicles does not immediately indicate failure the first phase of the counter-offensive will be difficult and painful anyway. We have not yet seen the brigades trained by western allies in action, although that could change very soon.

Jimbuna

06-05-23 01:52 PM

Well the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.

mapuc

06-05-23 01:57 PM

It's not like watching a Hollywood made war movie where one can follow the war in detail.

Here we have to trust our different news agencies when it comes to this offensive and whether it is successful or not.

Hopefully they will have huge success and the Ruskies will be running with their tail between their legs.

Markus

mapuc

06-05-23 03:39 PM

https://twitter.com/MikaelValterss1/...52852671627264

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The ukrainian side is still quiet about the fighting. They will probably say that this is the beginning of the Counteroffensive if they are successful with moderate losses. If not successful, they will probably bury this operation in silence. But the use of Leopards and the capture of Novodonetske should get ukrainian attention.

Markus

Otto Harkaman

06-05-23 03:50 PM

I would keep up these harassment drone attacks. Pretend my large offensive was eminent, but just build my reserves and defenses. Wait for all these Western tanks that won't be in enough number with trained crews and maintenance crews until next year.

Is a large blitzkrieg style attack even possible under the circumstances? I think only such attack can work at the unset of a war with an unprepared enemy. Its not WWI trench warfare per say but enough like it that its hard to budge or punch through the defensive line of the enemy without suffering huge loses.

Dargo

06-05-23 04:27 PM

Leaked Ukraine counteroffensive.

https://i.postimg.cc/Kcpm7jHK/leakukrmap.jpg

mapuc

06-05-23 04:40 PM

^ :har: :har:

Markus

Skybird

06-05-23 04:58 PM

I assume the big offensive will look different than most people maybe think. The Ukrainians do not have the big numbers necessary for a classic offensive.

mapuc

06-05-23 05:25 PM

Here is an example on exaggerated fake news.

Quote:

Russian state media RIA Novosti about the events in Donetsk region.

"The total losses of Ukrainian troops amounted to more than 1,500 personnel, 28 tanks, including 8 Leopards made in Germany, 3 wheeled tanks AMX-10 made in France and 109 armored fighting vehicles".

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...30492782972931

As one wrote in the comment field-Turn it around and it would be more true.

Markus

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