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Dargo 12-19-24 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2937133)
The result of the election indicate for me that the American voters has sent a message: We want a change away from the Dems politics.

You could also ask yourself why did Trump win so massive ?
It must tell us something.

Markus

It's hard to claim a "mandate" when a president gets less than 50%, as Trump did in this election. In fact, Trump's popular-vote margin was the second-narrowest in the last 60 years. His 312 electoral votes and 49.7% of the popular vote are nowhere near the most in 129 years. His electoral vote tally is the highest since 2012 when former President Barack Obama won 332. And "the American voters" has not sent a message, it is a percentage of American voters, not even a majority. As LBJ pointed out, a president has limited time to do it because the shine of an election wears off fairly quickly, mandate or not.
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Originally Posted by Lyndon B. Johnson
The president's mandate rarely lasted longer than six months and I hoped that we could get most of the pledges we made in our platform enacted as soon as possible.


mapuc 12-19-24 05:25 PM

^ I was not looking at the percentage, I was taking a look at the map who's mostly red.

It doesn't matter if Trump only get 0.1 percentage more than Biden, the Electoral goes to the winner

Markus

Dargo 12-19-24 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2937138)
^ I was not looking at the percentage, I was taking a look at the map who's mostly red.

It doesn't matter if Trump only get 0.1 percentage more than Biden, the Electoral goes to the winner

Markus

Read up about American election system it is not what it seems you think to see that all red is "winner take's all" (electoral system is one where a voting bloc can win all seats in a legislature or electoral district, denying representation to any political minorities) such systems do not always elect majority preferred candidates and do not always produce winners who received the majority of votes cast in the district, and they allow parties to take a majority of seats in the chamber with just a minority of the vote.

Buddahaid 12-19-24 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2937133)
The result of the election indicate for me that the American voters has sent a message: We want a change away from the Dems politics.

You could also ask yourself why did Trump win so massive ?
It must tell us something.

Markus

He actually did not win massively and didn't even achieve 50% of the votes cast.

Buddahaid 12-19-24 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2937128)
You expected Trump to loose the last election. You expected him to be in jail by now. I expect that you might want to reexamine your expectations if you don't want to keep being disappointed.

I did. This time I think it's the Trump voters who will be disappointed.

u crank 12-19-24 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2937143)
I did. This time I think it's the Trump voters who will be disappointed.

Voters are always disappointed. That is why they elect different parties and different people.

vienna 12-19-24 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2937037)
Meanwhile the Biden administration is busy selling border all materials purchased during Trump's first administration. We all know full well Trump will immediately begin a continuance of wall at the border. Not only does this slow wall building, the material that needs to be purchased will cost much more than it did originally. This is our government folks. Just idiots.


That hoary claim keeps coming up again and again and hasn't a lick of truth to it; the materials in question were purchased by the contractor given the project to build the wall; as such; the contractor, who was a major contributor to the Trump campaign in the 2016 election, got a no-bid, non-competitive contract from the 1st Trump administration, basically a give away to the donor for his loyalty to Trump; not only did the contractor not have any, at all, experience in building structures like the wall, he used sub-standard materials and construction processes in the segments he did build, including one very large segment which collapsed and sank in a rainstorm; the contractor, having bitten off more than he could chew, dropped the project, while still pocketing the Trump-given taxpayer funds, and left the supplies and materials you cited to just rot and rust; the materials are little more than scrap material and are being sold off as such to at least get some small return on the Trump-inspired corrupt debacle

...oh, and by the way; Trump made a very big deal out using "All-American Made, Quality" materials for his wall; however the materials used were, as mentioned before substandard Chinese made, imported construction materials; seem that the contractor was shortchanging the US taxpayers and he's getting away with it... seemingly with Trump's blessing...


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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 2936891)
You sound bitter. I know it is shocking that the guy is heading back to the White House but don't despair, it's only four years. It will give you a chance to learn some new buzzwords. MAGAts, Trumptanic II, MAGA Kool-Aid? Come on now, you can do better than that. What will actually happen is not certain but one thing is. We know who will be President come January. Maybe somebody will gin up another Russia collusion hoax to keep you interested like the last time. I agree with les green01. It will be entertaining. I hope you enjoy it.


I am neither bitter nor in despair; n fact, I am rather much confident that the 2nd Coming of Trump will be as badly handled, if not worse that the first; I said it was amusing the Left is clutching pearls and the Far Right/MAGA/GOP is trying to strut around like they are large and in charge; the Left just has to sit back and let Trump and the GOP blow up their own selves, calmly waiting for the Midterms when the voters will most probably hand back the House to the DEMs, and that is not so far fetched; the new GOP controlled House actually has a smaller majority than it had prior to November's Election, and, prior to November, that margin was described as "razor thin"; so, what is thinner than "razor thin"...?...

The weakness of the GOP can be seen in what happened in California, where four GOP House seats were up for election in November, with three of the four seats occupied by GOP incumbents, in heavily GOP registered voter districts; two of the three incumbents were defeated, including one incumbent who had been in the House some 30 years; the GOP had 12 seats from CA going into the election and now have only 9 seats; again, what makes the situation so bad is those lost seats were in districts where the GOP candidates should have done much better, but, I guess, the voters spoke loudly and clearly...

...one can only imagine what the voters will say in 2026 when the wheels have come off the GOP campaign cart...

The DEMs have only to take control of just one of the Chambers (Senate, House) in order to put the kibosh on Trump and the MAGA's grand plans, just like in Trump's first term; hell, Trump might even accommodate the DEMs again by doing something so stupid and illegal they'll be obliged to impeach him yet again... :haha:

The reason I'm not bothered by Trump is because Trump is Trump; he is an easy target because he is so consistently predictable; getting his Cabinet picks trounced just like in the first term? Check; start backtracking from his campaign promises? Why, he's even started to do so before he's taken office, this time! Check; appointing persons with little to no experience or knowledge to high post merely because they are slavishly loyal? Check...

We all know what's going to come next; Trump will make all sorts of wild Executive Orders and demands only to be tripped up and flummoxed by those pesky little matters like the Law, Legal Precedent, and The Constitution; his little attempts at his new banana republic will be met with lawsuits, constitutional challenges, and intraparty GOP bickering, pretty much freezing, or at least, heavily slowing his roll; this should occupy the first two years of his term and result in the same stalemate as the first go-around; then the midterms will come along, and all those voters who bought into the Trump bluster of promises will look at their bank books, their grocery receipt, and, for some, their pink slips, and be not very inclined to continue to drink his brand of MAGA Kool-Aid, just like the first term, and hand the House back to the DEMs; the GOP can not afford to lose even one more seat than they have now, so this does seem to be a rather good prediction...

...oh, and about Trump's claim he will reduce food prices in his first year... well, in Trump's first term, food prices rose in each and every month of his four years in office, with a 3.8% increase being recorded in his last month in the Oval Office...

So, I'm neither bitter nor in despair; and, I think the DEMs should just sit back and watch the Trump/MAGA/GOP train wreck roll by and be there to reap the benefits; and, the GOP should look to getting rid of the wingnuts running their party and find some real, intelligent, grownups to run in 2026...

...and, yes, I will enjoy watching the ship sink beneath the waves... :03:


As I said, past is prologue...




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u crank 12-19-24 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna (Post 2937151)
the Left just has to sit back and let Trump and the GOP blow up their own selves, calmly waiting for the Midterms when the voters will most probably hand back the House to the DEMs, and that is not so far fetched;

It is a never ending cycle. That is pretty much what just happened to Biden and the Dems. It is certainly nothing new or unusual. And very predictable.

Dargo 12-19-24 08:10 PM

Trump:
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Lowering prices will be hard. Letting Elon ride me like a donkey will be easy.

vienna 12-19-24 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 2937153)
It is a never ending cycle. That is pretty much what just happened to Biden and the Dems. It is certainly nothing new or unusual.


...hence, no bitterness or despair... :03:


...however, that is of little comfort to Trump and the MAGAs who are dreaming of a sort of MAGA-Reich...




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vienna 12-19-24 08:36 PM

...and, so, it really begins...


House rejects Trump-backed plan on government shutdown --

https://apnews.com/live/government-s...7-e7ffbe930000


Quote:


The House rejected President-elect Donald Trump’s new plan Thursday to fund federal operations and suspend the debt ceiling a day before a government shutdown, as Democrats refused to accommodate his sudden demands and the quick fix cobbled together by Republican leaders.

In a hastily convened evening vote punctuated by angry outbursts over the self-made crisis, the lawmakers failed to reach the two-thirds threshold needed for passage — but House Speaker Mike Johnson appeared determined to try again before Friday’s midnight deadline.

“We’re going to do the right thing here,” Johnson said ahead of the vote. But he didn’t even get a majority, with the bill failing 174-235.

The outcome proved a massive setback for Trump and his billionaire ally, Elon Musk, who rampaged against Johnson’s bipartisan compromise, which Republicans and Democrats had reached earlier to prevent a Christmastime government shutdown.




So, what do you think Mike Johnson's half-life now is...?...





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Dargo 12-19-24 08:41 PM

Marjorie Taylor Greene, Rand Paul back Elon Musk as House speaker:har:

vienna 12-19-24 08:45 PM

...as the DEMs are probably rubbing their hands in glee... :har:



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u crank 12-19-24 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vienna (Post 2937156)
...however, that is of little comfort to Trump and the MAGAs who are dreaming of a sort of MAGA-Reich...

Oh Jebus. Ok I'll leave it to you. Reynolds aluminum foil is the best. Highly recommended by the delusional. Take care.

:salute:

vienna 12-19-24 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 2937166)
Oh Jebus. Ok I'll leave it to you. Reynolds aluminum foil is the best. Highly recommended by the delusional. Take care.

:salute:

Nah, no tinfoil for me...

...you, on the other hand, maybe should learn to lighten up... :03:




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