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August 03-22-21 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2737980)
Media like Fox News or Breitbart have been founded with the direct political goal to push their ideas through and denigrate all others, while their BS almost hit UK yellow press level. And since 4+ years all else are fake news anyway.

The time people think about why media act the way they do are gone, this ship has sailed. You either believe one, or the other. No self critic, no questioning. Though this is still a bit asymmetric, in political media.
A lot of inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions in that.

First off Fox News was not created with a political goal. A leftist like yourself may claim otherwise but your bias shows through loud and clear with your omission of the letter networks like CNN whose denigration of half the nation has been far more egregious than anything Fox or even Breitbart has published.

Secondly your absolutism is ridiculous. I don't "either believe one, or the other" about anything, nor do most people that I know. Some of that may have rubbed off on us through our close association over these past 7 decades but that's just another argument for leaving NATO.

Rockstar 03-22-21 08:24 AM
Or how others like NYT, CNN, BBC, USNEWS, AP, Washington Post, NBC got people to rally behind and worship a suspected neo nazi and known racist as some kind of angel for freedom and democracy.

Rockstar 03-22-21 09:03 AM
Wasn't too long ago in the other thread when many here gathered to lend support to a neo-nazi and a rascist and criticize Trump because he wouldn't take a tougher stance to defend their new found hero. Talk about media manipulation.

Catfish 03-22-21 09:25 AM
Why was Fox Nesws created

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2737998)
[...] First off Fox News was not created with a political goal. [...]
This is (only) your opinion, and you canot stand seeing another? Of course, we see every day only germans have this black and white thinking. And if you want to leave the NATO just do it. The latter has nothing to do with Fox News other than similar spreading hate and diversion wherever possible.

August 03-22-21 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2738009)
Why was Fox Nesws created


This is (only) your opinion, and you canot stand seeing another?

Not at all but apparently you cannot stand to see someone disagree with you. As for NATO if it were up to me we'd be out of NATO today and out of Germany tomorrow.

Onkel Neal 03-22-21 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 2737945)
Ever wonder why political media will only try and make you angry or fearful of something? Not make you consider things that will help you or others? Just all anger or fear.

Something to think about.
Agreed, it's really bad these days. there's almost no objective and unbiased media sources left. I really cannot think of any now.

August 03-22-21 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2738012)
Agreed, it's really bad these days. there's almost no objective and unbiased media sources left. I really cannot think of any now.

But was there ever? Seems to me that media sources have always been biased depending on who owned them. For example the Hearst newspaper empire was a major cheerleader for the Spanish American war. We might not have even fought it if they hadn't been whipping up war fever among the population.

AVGWarhawk 03-22-21 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 2737945)
Ever wonder why political media will only try and make you angry or fearful of something? Not make you consider things that will help you or others? Just all anger or fear.

Something to think about.
It all boils down to ratings, viewership and how many companies are willing to pay top dollar for commercial spots. At the end of the day, it is all about MONEY.

Onkel Neal 03-22-21 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by August (Post 2738016)
But was there ever? Seems to me that media sources have always been biased depending on who owned them. For example the Hearst newspaper empire was a major cheerleader for the Spanish American war. We might not have even fought it if they hadn't been whipping up war fever among the population.
Oh no doubt, the yellow press has existed. But until the last decade or so it was at least a little more nuanced. Now it's no-holds barred.

Catfish 03-23-21 03:46 AM
^ It's one thing to support one side of the political spectrum, but when it comes to outright lies Fox is in the lead.
This is old news and only one of a hundred examples, but do people forget so fast? E.g. about the corona "conspiracy"? All taking the pandemic serious just want to hurt Trump. Not to mention Mrs Greene, but Hannity accused other media of conspiracy theories?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-h...s-in-the-media

Fox News and Fox Business did not make honest mistakes e.g. about election outcomes, but turned their nonsense and lies into rating numbers. I have never seen so much Bull being published as in the last four years, also true for german and other media too.

And then there's the argument all media are the same and lie all the time. What is neutral to reasonable is "leftist" in right wing's eyes, but by all means, the bias and lies are not symmetric. Maybe all lie, but some are literally outstanding.

So there's the "philosophical" question: What can anyone believe if there is no neutral information to get.

August 03-23-21 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2738141)
^ It's one thing to support one side of the political spectrum, but when it comes to outright lies Fox is in the lead.
This is old news and only one of a hundred examples, but do people forget so fast? E.g. about the corona "conspiracy"? All taking the pandemic serious just want to hurt Trump. Not to mention Mrs Greene, but Hannity accused other media of conspiracy theories?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-h...s-in-the-media

Fox News and Fox Business did not make honest mistakes e.g. about election outcomes, but turned their nonsense and lies into rating numbers. I have never seen so much Bull being published as in the last four years, also true for german and other media too.

And then there's the argument all media are the same and lie all the time. What is neutral to reasonable is "leftist" in right wing's eyes, but by all means, the bias and lies are not symmetric. Maybe all lie, but some are literally outstanding.

So there's the "philosophical" question: What can anyone believe if there is no neutral information to get.

Quoting a Daily Beast (a publication about 2 steps to the left of the old USSR Pravda) is pretty biased on its face but your article STILL does not mention any of thsee lies that you claim Fox has repeatedly made. It talks a lot about the lies from NBC and such though so was your point to prove ours?

Rockstar 03-23-21 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by August (Post 2738242)
Quoting a Daily Beast (a publication about 2 steps to the left of the old USSR Pravda) is pretty biased on its face but your article STILL does not mention any of thsee lies that you claim Fox has repeatedly made. It talks a lot about the lies from NBC and such though so was your point to prove ours?

Whose contributing author also writes for Contemptor.com, no, no bias there. :roll: :haha:

There was a poll taken several years ago "67 percent of Republicans saw political bias in the news while only 26 percent of Democrats felt that way. Which tells us what? Doesn't mean there's anymore truth reported by one than the other. All it means is that Democrats are simply enjoying what the media is selling.

Catfish 03-23-21 04:53 PM
Sure all this has escaped your attention?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coron...fau-story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...on-trish-regan

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/u...ive-media.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmW_H4U-MI

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...asnt-aged-well

https://khn.org/news/article/lie-of-...e-coronavirus/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...onavirus-hoax/

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN25G2KM

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN22P22I

August 03-23-21 05:04 PM
You can post all the corporate owned media links you want. Since you wasted my time with the DB article I will leave it to you to post the pertinent passages.



FWIW though Fox didn't call the virus itself a hoax, just the over the top government response to it. That's a valid accusation that is just as pertinent today.

em2nought 03-23-21 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2738255)
Sure all this has escaped your attention?



It wasn't a hoax, it was a joint operation between the CCCP and the DNC to release something just nasty enough to curtail freedom and strengthen the state. Oh yeah, and get rid of that pesky Trump. :03: With the help of some election shenanigans .


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