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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr
(Post 2619952)
The law of the land says, that the exit day is 31st of October - as agreed with the EU. As far as I know, that has not changed. The Parliament can say "no" to no-deal Brexit, but unless they ratify the Withdrawal Agreement, its all sound bites without any concrete meaning.
Only thing PM Johnson has to do to get no-deal Brexit, is to do nothing. The no-deal Brexit is the standard option unless something else is agreed on. In theory he could negotiate new agreement with the EU, but first he would have to persuade them back to the negotiation table.
At the moment the Parliament says "no" to all alternatives and - atleast to me - it appears they are either unable or unwilling to define what kind of agreement they could accept. How could PM Johnson and the EU renegotiate the agreement, if they do not konw what kind of agreement is acceptable?
In my opinion, unless there is major political change in the UK, there is no point in wasting time with new round of negotiations. I also believe that extension to the Brexit date should be granted only, if its purpose is to give time to implement no-deal option.
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I agree the EU will not renegotiate. It got everything what it wanted and it got the UK in an extremely weakened position, the EU will not let go this wonderful outcome. Cream on top is that it cna always point fingers at the UK, demanding the UK to move and to change and to alter its stance. All burden to adapt to the arranegment by May is on the UK, none on the EU. Perfect outcome!
I get the impression that a clear majority of parliament agrees on at least one thing: to not have no-deal.
So they could prevent no-deal exit by getting rid of Johnson and have reelections and install somebody willing to accept the deal there-is, the all-sales-deal by May, that is. Question is whether time is sufficient, I do not know what the British non-existent constitution:) says about timetables for announcing elections after Johnson got put down by a non-confidence vote. However, the EU already has signalled that while it will not let go of the deal it has, it is very well prepared to give the UK more time to prepare a ratification of this May-deal by British parliament. They will call it by different names, of course, and hide it from the public, but the EU would welcome the UK to install a deal-friendly government - or one that abandons Brexit alltogether. Even letting things in a non-decided state like it is now is better than to let the UK off the hook, from a perspective of European powerplay. And after all, the EU also is not shy to break its own laws, rules and treaties if it sees it could opportunistically benefit from that. The historic record of having done so in the past, already is discouragingly long by now. The EU will play foul if it can and sees benefit from that. Its institutions and offices will find the needed excuses and defences for that.
Or do I understand it all wrong?
This thing still is long from being over.
Johnson himself has no political ideals and is a pure opportunist, beside his charms he is said to have no further skills and competences, he will not mind kicking the country into an even deeper hole than was already done, if that serves his interests. So, he will do what serves his powerpolticla ambitions best.
And the Tories? They have voted Johnmosn into IM office and illiustrated that populism and winning the next elections is more important for them than the higher interest of their country.
No player in all this mess is any better than any of the others. Nobody. I include the vast majoirty of ordinary people and the electorate in this judgement. Why they have not stormed the house and burnt it down already, is beyond me. But I ask the same about Germany, America, France or any other country, too, so there is no real surprise.
Seen this way, everybody seems to get what he deserves, no matter how it goes and ends.
