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onelifecrisis 02-16-10 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Diopos (Post 1269421)
Be assured. There will be some relavent "fine print" in the End User License Agreement....:yep:
Doesn't matter.
If Ubisoft put in their fine print that it's okay for them to murder me, does that make it legal?
Contracts and license agreements cannot and do not override the law. They frequently attempt to, but it's always a bluff.

HundertzehnGustav 02-16-10 09:56 AM
you know we have to work...and have family...? and hopefully some sex in between?

be real!

This is a theory, how we will put it into practice is another matter, but hopefully not too different.

609_Avatar 02-16-10 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkreaver1980 (Post 1269424)
What is up with you people?

you will buy the game, come home and play it right away.

why is everyone acting like the world is going to end? lol

Dont tell me that you arent connected 24 hours per day :P
Oh you don't know how wrong you are. Of course the world isn't coming to an end and even though I've liked what I've seen and have all the other version in the series this one I will not buy. Period.

Sailor Steve 02-16-10 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkreaver1980 (Post 1269424)
Dont tell me that you arent connected 24 hours per day :P
Most of the time I'm not connected at all. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Brag 02-16-10 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 609_Avatar (Post 1269439)
Oh you don't know how wrong you are. Of course the world isn't coming to an end and even though I've liked what I've seen and have all the other version in the series this one I will not buy. Period.
I'm not buying either!
NO to DRM

Why is everyone acting like this?

Because we all are not rolling over like a few fanboys.

Moo :salute::salute::salute::salute::salute::salute:

elanaiba 02-16-10 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TDK1044 (Post 1269407)
Let's say that someone purchases Silent Hunter 5, and because of his personal availability, he can only actually play the game between the hours of 6PM and 8PM on Saturdays and Sundays.

Because those days are the busiest in terms of server access, every time he tries to log on and play the game during that window, he is denied access.

He has therefore spent $49 on a game that he can't play. He can't get his money back on the game, because nobody offers a refund for computer software/video games, and he can't change his availability in order to try and access the servers at a different time.

In the pre DRM era he would have had no problem, but now he has a $49 coaster and no access to a game he wants to play.

Does he have a legal claim against Ubisoft? I wonder what kind of disclaimer will be written in the mice type on the box?
http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Hunter-...6334544&sr=8-1

I don't know about disclaimer but I can see something very large written on that box.

Nordmann 02-16-10 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkreaver1980 (Post 1269424)
What is up with you people?

Have you been living under a rock? This DRM rubbish is what is up with us, I suggest you read about it, if that's even remotely possible.

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Originally Posted by Darkreaver1980 (Post 1269424)
you will buy the game, come home and play it right away.
Who said we are buying it? You? Sure thing mate, if you pay for it!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkreaver1980 (Post 1269424)
why is everyone acting like the world is going to end? lol
Oh, so being concerned about a feature of the product equates to acting as if the world is going to end? Really? Sound logic there!

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Originally Posted by Darkreaver1980 (Post 1269424)
Dont tell me that you arent connected 24 hours per day :P
Maybe we are, maybe we are not. The point is, we should not be forced into using a net connection for a single-player game; it's nothing short of ludicrous, and if you had any sense, you would see that.

Honestly, where do people like you keep coming from? You're not a Ubi employee by any chance? I wouldn't be surprised!

TDK1044 02-16-10 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by elanaiba (Post 1269479)
http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Hunter-...6334544&sr=8-1

I don't know about disclaimer but I can see something very large written on that box.
Sure, Dan. But that 'Internet Connection Required' statement doesn't address Ubisoft's legal requirement to provide server access 24/7. It simply states that you need an internet connection in order to play the game. :)

Wilcke 02-16-10 10:48 AM
I have two copies on pre-order; one for me and the other to give away, have to spread the sub love.

The "internet connection needed" is printed very clearly on the front of the box so there is no need to return anything.

TDK1044 02-16-10 10:52 AM
This thread honestly wasn't meant as another negative DRM issue, but rather a genuine concern regarding what I consider to be a potential powder keg.

elanaiba 02-16-10 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TDK1044 (Post 1269493)
Sure, Dan. But that 'Internet Connection Required' statement doesn't address Ubisoft's legal requirement to provide server access 24/7. It simply states that you need an internet connection in order to play the game. :)
Oh, I get it now, you're referring what happens if the Ubi server is the one actually "problematic".

Yep, no idea on that part. Hopefully that won't be a problem though.

TDK1044 02-16-10 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilcke (Post 1269495)
I have two copies on pre-order; one for me and the other to give away, have to spread the sub love.

The "internet connection needed" is printed very clearly on the front of the box so there is no need to return anything.
Sure there is if your internet connection is working perfectly but Ubisoft's servers are not accessible.

ryanglavin 02-16-10 10:54 AM
Its a single player game, and I have a feeling that the only reason Ubisoft put DRM on SH5 was that they put it on every other product that they're coming out with (nearly, but name me a product thats coming out that doesn't from Ubisoft, cause I'll buy it :yeah:)

danlisa 02-16-10 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by elanaiba (Post 1269479)
http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Hunter-...6334544&sr=8-1

I don't know about disclaimer but I can see something very large written on that box.
:hmmm: Don't see that requirement on the UK box.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silent-Hunte...6335363&sr=8-1

Either way (assuming box art is incorrect), server outages/downtime prevent the owners of the game from playing. That is where the respective law in each country will come into play. Ubi could potentially be open to claims from stores or retailers following refunds to disappointed owners (assuming the servers continue along current form).

TDK1044 02-16-10 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by elanaiba (Post 1269500)
Oh, I get it now, you're referring what happens if the Ubi server is the one actually "problematic".

Yep, no idea on that part. Hopefully that won't be a problem though.
I can only judge by the multi player option in earlier versions, Dan. I tried it three or four times. I was never able to connect and so I gave up. Not a big problem as I prefer the single player mode anyway. But it would be a big problem this time, because a player has to use the servers in order to play the game at all.


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