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...I changed my mind, could you make us some nachos:up: . Put lots of cheese on too.:/\\k:

(buys nachos and eats all, leaving none for evryone else.....then gets sick from over-eating)

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Originally Posted by Iceman

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Oh my gosh! Could you imagine Gore as Pres? Ouch! Gore would be like - they just blew up the twin towers! What should we do about it! Should we beg for their forgiveness?

I guess Gore would be 100x better than Kerry. As far as I'm concerned, Bush was the best choice out of the choices for the job.

-S

And there is the bottom line....STFU already scandlous about the president of my country.If it was Bush or Kerry or Kermit the frog ya gotta stand behind your leaders.This country is still,STILL the best place to live in the world, so if ya don't like it tough titty.Deal with it.To sit there and come off like the ENTIRE world was hood winked by Bush is preposterous and insulting frankly to the intell community.People make up there own minds...as do you, so quit coming off like the I told you so guy like Skybird does....one I told you so guy is all we can take.

Where's that popcorn ? ....

I love ya Skybird :)

Here, here. I'll take a beer with that popcorn please.:up:

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua

At least Bush released his records when Kerry didn't.

Btw, draft dodging is a FELONY. and bypassing the whole spiel of how he got there....Clinton is the first pardoned felon to have served as president of the United States.

He's also the only guy I've ever heard of trying but not inhaling pot. :huh: :roll:

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Originally Posted by SubSerpent

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

It's pure ignorance to think that a Democrat would just scare away from an attack on our homeland. That's just plain and simple nonsense. Matter of fact, I recall a Democrat in office on Dec. 7, 1941, and who boldy and bravely stood up against the heinous attack at Pearl Harbor and immidately returned fire on them. I also remember there was a Democrat in office when both Hiroshima and Nagaski were A-bombed. I also remember that all of Europe was saved from Nazism and tyranny while a Democrat was the president. The past proves that the Democrats HAVE ballz. It's the cowardly Republicant's who haven't done diddly squat for the country except to get it further and further into unpayable debt.

Also, I'm sick of Republicans ALWAYS basing their political party believes on how they felt about William Jefferson Clinton. The only reason why you think that Dems don't have the ballz to stand up to terrorism is because Clinton was a draft dodger. Big Flippen WHUP! Your G.W. Bush ain't no American Hero either! Eww wow, he flew a plane and was late to several role calls and finally stopped showing up altogether. He military records really suck and show that he was an un-squared away military member. Just some lazy rich kid who's daddy got him out of trouble with his command. However, John Kerry WAS a war hero. His records are clearly documented by the Navy and he served with honor in an unpopular war.

Ouch. Seems I hit a nerve.

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Originally Posted by Iceman

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Here, here. I'll take a beer with that popcorn please.:up:

Hmm - the combo doesn't sound all that great. I'll just take either beer or popcorn, but not both! :p

By the way, I like how we always get to pointing fingers around here about crap we all have no control over. So on second thought - I'll take the popcorn!

-S

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Ouch. Seems I hit a nerve.

I believe republicans do that because Clinton was twice the president in world politics then Bush is. The only thing they can come up with is Monica Lewinsky.

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Ouch. Seems I hit a nerve.

I believe republicans do that because Clinton was twice the president in world politics then Bush is. The only thing they can come up with is Monica Lewinsky.

Did Clinton do something important? :D I think the rest of the world missed it.

He did try and take away my guns, and I dispise him for that. That is all I remember.

Actually that is not true - he is actually being a better pres after being pres, than he ever was as pres. He is doing some admirable things in his later years.

Yep...Lewisnky, NAFTA, The Firearms ban (which also shuttered nearly 60% of all firearm dealers in the U.S. during that time), downsizing the the U.S. military.
None of those things were really Clintons' fault. It was the Repubs. who were duped by a president to go along with his schemes. :roll:

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

and the Food Bank. .

Man, I am in tears.

I believe republicans do that because Clinton was twice the president then Bush is.
That just my opinion however.

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During the administration of William Jefferson Clinton, the U.S. enjoyed more peace and economic well being than at any time in its history. He was the first Democratic president since Franklin D. Roosevelt to win a second term. He could point to the lowest unemployment rate in modern times, the lowest inflation in 30 years, the highest home ownership in the country's history, dropping crime rates in many places, and reduced welfare rolls. He proposed the first balanced budget in decades and achieved a budget surplus. As part of a plan to celebrate the millennium in 2000, Clinton called for a great national initiative to end racial discrimination.
After the failure in his second year of a huge program of health care reform, Clinton shifted emphasis, declaring "the era of big government is over." He sought legislation to upgrade education, to protect jobs of parents who must care for sick children, to restrict handgun sales, and to strengthen environmental rules.

In the world, he successfully dispatched peace keeping forces to war-torn Bosnia and bombed Iraq when Saddam Hussein stopped United Nations inspections for evidence of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. He became a global proponent for an expanded NATO, more open international trade, and a worldwide campaign against drug trafficking. He drew huge crowds when he traveled through South America, Europe, Russia, Africa, and China, advocating U.S. style freedom.

or read it here http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

I believe republicans do that because Clinton was twice the president then Bush is.
That just my opinion however.

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or read it here http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html

They left out the fact that it takes 8 years for a presidents policy to affect things like that. So for economy to housing, that was either Bush or Regan's policies that affected that. Right now, we have an OK economy, and that is the result of Mr. Clinton. So he did OK. I like how even Bush claims this is his doing, as has every pres before him including Clinton, but it is really not. Only when Bush leaves office will we begin to see the results of his policy on the long term economy.

-S

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

During the administration of William Jefferson Clinton, the U.S. enjoyed more peace and economic well being than at any time in its history.

These were followed by 9/11 and by the high tech bubble. Both were a result of being asleep at the wheel prior to Bush taking office.

He was president for 8 years as is Bush. I think if there was much to that that would be a large topic in politics so I tend to discount it.

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

These were followed by 9/11 and by the high tech bubble. Both were a result of being asleep at the wheel prior to Bush taking office.

Oh, I always wanted to say this. :D
Where is your proof? Whats you source?

Edit: What does a high tech bubble have to do with a president?

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

He was president for 8 years as is Bush. I think if there was much to that that would be a large topic in politics so I tend to discount it.

Exactly - and you are living in his economy right now. A pres can only affect the short term economy now. His long term plans are 8 years away from right now.

I just wonder what Katrina is going to do to our future economy. It will take tha long to see the results.

-S

Lewinsky. Is that all you got? Gimme a break :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Downsizing the the U.S. military. Can anyone say Rumsfeld?

NAFTA. You got something there. Corporations bailing on the U.S... Did you happen to know Bush junior had a corporate office in the Kaymans(?) I believe. How unamerican is that?

Firearms ban. Thats up to individual tastes. It has no bearing on anything but personal opinion.

That response is so pathetic it's not even worth responding to. But since I'm sitting here at home with nothing to do, I might as well do something along these llines:

The position of the President carries with it dignity, respect, and power. The president is the most powerful civilian on the planet. Commander-in-Chief of our Navy, Army, Air-force, and poseesing the "Nuclear Football" which holds the codes to launch Nuclear Weapons.

The president is trusted with this, but cheats on his wife, and then LIES about it! Why should I trust a man with a hundred dollars if I can't even trust him with ONE?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/reynolds.asp

He also pardoned dozens of convicted felons. (I wasn't able to find a list online but there are numerous articles about the pardoning).

Is this the sort of man who I'd want in control of the military? A man who is control of Nuclear Weapons? Not that it matters. Since modern Democrats have not an inkling or morality, nor of duty,nor honor, nor of their own country.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/politics/clintondraft.asp

And as for downsizing the military vs. creating jobs, seems like he killed more jobs than created them.

http://www.opm.gov/feddata/html/dec00fac.asp

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_c...kaza051603.asp

NAFTA is something I disagreed with from the start. I HATE the idea of corporations leaving the U.S. and outsourcing, but if it weren't for the stringent red-tape, greedy union leaders, NAFTA, and un-warranted lawsuits they'd still be here.

http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/br...ers_nafta01_us

As for the firearms ban:
Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Is there any part of this that you do not understand?

Clinton failed in Kosovo-Serb war, failing to stop the massacres by the Serbs. Clinton even ordered the bombing of Belgrade and allowing the returning Kosovoans to enact an ethnic cleansing of Serbs in the area.

Clinton has also set the present policy of "Three No's for Taiwan." No backing for Taiwanese independence, No recognition of an independent govt. of Taiwan, and No admissioin of Taiwan into International Organisations. Way to support a fellow democracy "Slick Willy."

Clinton also bungled the diplomatic interactions with North Korea, backing from sanctions, changing policy, allowing Jimmy carter to screw things up, and leaving a great big mess behind for everyone else to clean up.

Clinton, the mediator of the Oslo accords, is also responsible for the mess the Israelis are in today. Hundreds have dies and tens of hundreds more have been wounded by the terrorist acts of Israels' Arab neighbors. All in the name of peace.

1994, the Rwandan Genocide. For almost 110 Days, Clinton did NOTHING while Hutus slaughtered the Tutsi minority. 800,000 were massacred up until the point that the then Hutu president of Rwanda was forced to sign an agreement with the rebels that the Tutsis and the Hutus would share power.

Where was Slick Willy at the time? He was hiding behind the U.N. when all U.S. nationals were withdrawn from Rwanda. Were any Rwandan Tutsis saved from this? Were any of the moderate Hutus taken with the U.S. nationals? Nope. They were left to die. There are no excuses.

So much for the "Great" Bill Clinton.