I don´t find it hilarious, just not very surprising. Sooner or later it had to happen, some Ubisoft guys certainly didn´t like what you were doing there. Well, as Subman said, just get a new account.

I wanted all of you to know here just what occured. Lucky I document everything......
As you know I was banned at the Ubisoft Forums


The reason they say is: Posted by Thunak on Mon December 19 2005 10:20 Active StarForce basher. Hijacks threads and
is generally disruptive. Has been warned to stop this behaviour or be banned. Well, that note says it all.
Soulcommander is back and keeps posting SF-things. Also he promotes a site against SF so I also removed that from
his signature as part of the ban.


This statement above is not all true...Yes Thunak wrote me on Dec. 19 and said I was suppose to be gathering info
for Ubi and told me to stop posting. At that time I PMed him back asking him what was offensive to him and I will
remove it. He never PMed me back! I never Hijack threads, you can see in the links below how I say I never do that!

And I am never disruptive either! Ubisoft knows everything I do as I call them and email them! I have all this
documented thank goodness!

They Banned me for the reasons below:

Then the other day I was told to go to this thread that someone started and interject:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums...014#8741074014

If you go to the above link you will see what I wrote. I wrote: there is no need to lock this thread. We don't go
into normal threads to post things about Starforce. This thread was started by someone and is labled correctly
involving Starforce and if you don't like the fact we are talking here about it, don't come into the thread and
disrupt it. Ignor it. I can't tell you guys exactly what is there as I have been baneed so I can't see it but you
can! Take a look!

Even another Ubi moderator GT182 who found out he had Starforce problems posts...Look for his post and see what
other moderators have to say to him.
IT'S appalling! A prime example of how Ubisoft treats customers! Even moderators that all of a sudden have the
same experiences we had with Starforce are insulted and threatened!

I didn't even start the topic in the forum, it's not until I go there that I get banned.

As you can also see they don't like the fact that I posted this the headline that went something like this:

NEW ARTICLE FROM TOMS HARDWARE ON STARFORCE

The moderator posts that Im shouting... I gave him another example of an all caps headline. This is biased and
unfair.

But I did write Ubisoft before I was banned about this moderator. Ubisoft always knows what I have been doing I
call and write them on almost every move I make.
Be sure to click on the bottom link so you can see the moderators lame reason for locking the post!

I also give another example of a post that was in caps. At the time of this writing his post was not locked. Who knows if it
is now?


Here's The PM I sent the moderator and also to Ubisoft before I got banned:
What you did was wrong. This is a Headline! Why would you lock this post? How childish? You are worried about the
game making money is all this amounts to isnt it? It's freedom of speech.

I will be reporting this to Ubisoft!

I suggest you be a moderator, do your job appropriatly.

Better lock this one too.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums...2/m/7641071804
All caps there as well.

Unlock the thread!
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums...2/m/1441053014


So it was soon after I sent this when Aarons article hit the net.. that I was banned from the forum.
See what happens when you go into a thread that contains devs worried about pocket $$$ from a new game that is
coming out with Starforce on it! They ban you.

Ubisoft needs to Moderate their moderators I guess!

I hope all of you take the flag now and run with it!

My anti-Starforce banner in my profile was also deleted. I am a threat to them I guess! Little ol me.

Go figure!

It's far from over!
:up:

So is this Starforce thing turning anyone into a pirate yet? All of these games are easily obtainable without purchase, so is that what needs to be done to turn some heads and say - the protection is turning these people into pirates? Just thinking here since from what I can see, SF is a protection to make the problem worse, not better since wouldn't you rather have a cracked non SF game on your sys than one that compromises your sys?

Maybe I am thinking too much.

-S

PS. An example is Dangerous Waters. It doesn't have any protections on it that could damage my system, so I wait till I have time to go purchase it (IF I can find it in a store around here - that would help too!). I will not play it, get it, or install it till I own it. With these other games that are SF protected - I don't want the store bought copy, yet I may still want the game!

What stores carry DW? I can't find it in Washington. I refuse to support Steam too, so a DL is out of the question.

-S

That´s not a very good question to ask here on Subsim.com.

That´s a flawed logic. I´ve commented on this earlier:
http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...=453339#453339

Amazon.com

How is that flawed logic exactly? It is accurate logic in more ways than one.

Now I am almost convinced you have something to do with SF. Now that begs me to ask the one question you never answered yet, but in what I would call, a more accurate way - are you in anyway employed or affiliated with Starforce?

Failure to say either yes or no will confirm my thoughts on this one. There is no other answer like your beat around the bush answer you gave before.

-S

Read the link I gave! Here it is again: http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...=453339#453339

Generally speaking, people pirate games because they can, not because they have to! There is no justification for piracy, not intrusive copy protections, not high prices, not low income. If someone would tell me that he´d turned into a pirate because of SF I would tell him in no uncertain terms what I think.

I have answered this question twice in this thread and dozens of times in other threads.

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...=455029#455029
http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...=454989#454989

I'd have to say your logic is flawed Gizzmoe. I do not pirate games because I can - never have. I however will probably pirate games because of the copyprotection, which I feel is a justifiable cause. THis is where our opinions differ and I beleive mine is more correct, and yours just follows an Orwiellian society.

Quite frankly, the word pirate is one of those words you should despise, but I see you are brainwashed too. Like Trojan Kit or Rootkit, Pirate is out of context because before the games and music industry gave it a twist, it was meant strictly for 'monetary' gain. Playing or copying a game you did not pay for would not fall under that definition.

So, I see you have a double standard to add to your (growing) list of faults as well!! :88)

And, no - you have never answered that SF question to a 'satisfactory' answer. Always trying to answer it indirectly to leave room for doubt. Just say yes or no - are you employed or anyway affiliated with Starforce?

-S

Why don't you all knock off the bickering? If he works for Starforce, there's not much we can do about it. In fact, if he does work for them, good--they'll have read what we've been speaking about.

We need to stay united in order to keep this boycott going successfully. Bickering amongst one another is not what we need to do.

Illegally downloading games from the Internet or getting them from another source and not paying for them just because you want to avoid SF isn´t justifiable. Period. It would be understandable if you buy the game and then use "certain methods", but what you suggest just isn´t acceptable.

"For the umpteenth time, I don´t work for SF" and "No, I don´t" aren´t indirect answers.

I don´t boycott SF, so I can bicker as much as I want! ;)

Correction - It isn't acceptable to 'you' would be the correct answer.

-S

There is no 'United' with Gizzmoe. He is of an Orweilian society and against the removal of SF from his games. He thinks it is good for us, the control factor that is (Which there isn't - just a damage factor). That is why I continue to test him.

-S

:88) :doh: :dead:

Correction. It isn't acceptable here is the only answer.

Period.

Full Stop.

End of Debate.

Adios.

Sayonara.

The Fat Lady Has Sung.

Do I make myself clear?

Neither is taking shots at Gizzmoe (or anyone else) simply because he may not conform to your way of thinking. Gizzmoe has shown admirable restraint regarding some of the insinuations that have been made here.

Anyone want to suggest that I work for Starforce and have a hidden agenda? I promise you the results would be very different.

Now let's get the discussion back on track and in the realm of the respectable.

JCC

This would be a good time to stop.

JCC

Piracy is wrong, no argument against that. Piracy, for whatever means, is wrong. The best thing to do is to boycott the company with Starforce rather than pirating the game.

Granted, it is not the accepted answer, and I'll admit that, but neither was the Boston Tea Party.

-S

PS. I apologize if I ticked anyone off, but just arguing for arguments sake to see what the outcome is. Is SF right? No, and if someone wants to challenge that, that is what I am challenging. I am not saying - go out and pirate X game because it has Starforce - that is the logical thought pattern for rebellion to the system however and that is what I am saying.

Well, I did hear a rumor. :-j

Don't even get me started! :D