You should run for office and oppose them. :yep:

From Wikipedia article on church tax: Germany.

The church tax is only paid by members of the respective church. People who are not members of a church tax-collecting denomination do not have to pay it. Members of a religious community under public law may formally declare their wish to leave the community to state (not religious) authorities. With such a declaration, the obligation to pay church taxes ends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax#Germany

???:hmmm:

You are wasting your time, his rant about having to pay church tax has been shown to be false dozens of times.
He will still repeat it next time he complains about the church in Germany as if it were true.

Good point about the Taxes in for profit and not for profit areas!

But by definition, a Church is connected to a religion.
and a religion is not a business.
therefor:

Are there "for profit activities" at all?

The church says NO, we are working for God, not for money.
So, no we don't pay taxes. basta.

:yeah:Backstages, aint they.
Gulag, Stalag or worse.:nope:

Yes, a huge amount of them.

There is a book of profits in the Bible you know

EEE!

EEE not IIIII!

*facepalm*:nope:

:rotfl2:

Nothing "hmmm" - that si what I said: the church lives not by donations, but mandatory taxes for its members, collected by the state on behalf of the church. Plus tax idiots like me need to mandatorily subisidze it even when not being members anymore - by my ordiunbary taxes I fiance the church in the way I explained somewhere above, and finance its tax evasion, and its property collecting. I may be atheist, an non-member, an opponent of it - I still need to pay for them, indirectly.

Gotta love it.

The state and public tax pools have to stay out of subsidizing religious communities. Completely.

Last year the German Catholic church sold its shares of a book publisher who published erotic literature. :haha: The church is said to have lost massively in banking speculations during the past years, like many others. It is engaged in and holds shares in many other businesses and companies as well. It also maintains its own economic enterprises.

Of course they claim not to be a business company. What a surprise.

See what I mean


Yes, religious communities must be banned from all involvement in healthcare, education and welfare to completely remove any overlap.
In addition if a church wants a wheelchair ramp into its community center for disabled pensioners to use it must be banned from accessing the grants which subsidises such improvements.

loony toons:doh:

exactly.
want a ramp? pay for it.

thing is, to all these "services" these buggers attach a loto f propaganda and brainwashing to.
I bet that sciantific looney church has such centres as well.
sometimes these centres are openly connected to the religion they come from, sometimes it is hidden.
Hdden by name and people interacting between centre and church.

all with the goal of catching souls and gaining influence, gaining money and control the masses.

To pay their whores and golden Temples...:)

But that is perfectly all right, isnt it. completely Normal.

Miss the sarcasm much?

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Don't forget to bow and kiss the gold ring.

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Be interesting to know the millions they spend each year on "holy" robes.

aww!
Come on! i am eating here! This is disgusting!:nope:
look at that Zombie stuffing his fist in that other Dude's nose.
Reminds me of the green mile:
DEAD MAN WALKING!

News in: as became known in recent days, it seems that so-called Catholic hospitals in Germany (that are for the most hospitals that are maintained and payed for by the tax payer and the church gives a minor contribution to it, as low as only 10% of the overall costs, by doing so gaining legal right to claim it its possession and run it by church law and church administration) often evade the emergency treatment of female rape victims, and send them away instead.

In German law, women seeking an abortion must undergo an obligatory advisory meeting with a doctor and "talk" about their decision, before they can sign in for the procedure. In cases of pregnancy by rape, often the so-called "pill-after" is beign prescribed, if desired.

Of course, this is against Catholic church ideology that claims that women must accept what happens to them and have no right to refuse pregnancy if they become pregnant. By sending away even completely innocent victims of serious and traumatizing crime, the church wants to avoid needing to give abortion advisory meetings to girls and women.

Jesus would be proud of this inhumane sick breed.

There can be only two consequences: the public tax-funding schemes for the church must end, and hospitals refusing treatment must have their treaties with the health insuring companies cancelled, which needs the heads-nodding by politicians first, due to the legal situation over here

And this is why neither the first nor the second will happen in our pseudo-secular nation. Church and politicians are in bed with each other.

Although I do not pay many taxes, I still weep for every little cent of my small taxes that I need to sink into this ratpack's bottomless pockets, no matter whether I want that or not.

Some days ago, in this Indian case about the gang-rape of a young women that later died, some Hindi religious rectal opening claimed that it was her own guilt, because she did not struggle enough - so he claimed. Well. Between him and the Catholic church in this story, there is not much difference. They are of the same barbarian and inhumane thinking.

The church commented on the story of a young women being send away in two Catholic hospitals in Cologne by claiming that it only is a "misunderstanding", and that victims of rape of course get treated in Catholic hospitals. At the same time the directive to not give legally demanded advsory talks and councelling to women wanting to abort, has been affirmed. Since it is mandatory by law that these advisory talks must be given before any abortion could be requested, rape or not, this translates into: no treatment of rape emergencies, no medical evidence-taking of crimes committed against women.

Much like when the Catholic church in Africa having so much power, even though 1000's were dying of AIDS, they preached condom use was sin so many followed the belief. Having some power over governments, condoms were removed from schools, etc...no telling how many people died.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-879198.html

A state within a state, to 90% financially maintained by public taxes nevertheless, and claiming more and more sovereignity from the state, and increasing the number of institutions it calls its own.

Totally unacceptable.

same here. Church isolates itself from the general population, and becomes increasingly radical - the classic bickering between sub-groups and Orders leads to letters of hate and resentment that the church subgroups exchange. The public gets a few hints of the ongoing fights when they go to mass on weekends.

They really return to the 1700s.

The case of child molestation by priests and the cover-up by the high ranking Los Angeles clergy just got real interesting with the release by the diocese of some 12,000 pages of diocese internal memos, correspondence, and documents relating to the cover-up, as mandated by the local courts. The documents detail the extent to which the diocese, particularly under the rule of Cardinal Mahony, engaged in full-scale efforts to protect priests from arrest and prosecution. Here is a link to the documents as posted by the docese on its website:

http://clergyfiles.la-archdiocese.org/

You only need to read a few of these to really see how truly evil and self-serving these "protectors of the faith" could be in dealing with the victims...

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Unfortunately, man can control everything but himself, therein is our problem and will forever remain so. Governments, Churches and Military muscle exemplify the need to control the masses, that they do not escape onto desolation row and finally find the freedom they crave.