To go back on that link about Mexico that I posted, I find it strange that such as thing can happen right across the border and it's not really something the Americans should think about. If something similar happened in, say, Sweden or Russia and Finland had the means to help, I'm pretty sure we would.

Cho...the Virginia tech shooter actually was in a mental health institution yet LEGALLY obtained his guns via a technicality in the law. And the rest, is history.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/gun.laws/index.html

http://video.nytimes.com/video/2009/...ef=gun_control

"American guns in Juarez"

Most of us are vastly concerned about it. I live in Texas so I am right there.

Unfortunately our idiot government doesn't have the balls to do anything about it.

If Mexico had pointed fire arms at Federal Agents while I had been in control of anything at all, there would have been alot of dead Mexicans.

You point a gun at someone and don't shoot, you are asking to get your ass kicked into the next dimension.

The way I see it this is just a part of the war on drugs that according to many is a failed 'war'. The Mexican law enforcement is doing the heavy lifting and bleeding and dying along with Mexican bystanders just so some fat American might be spared an addiction to cocaine or whatever.

"Zachstar" If it became well known that they were carrying guns attacks against them would skyrocket. Why? Because one of the main ways criminals acquire guns is robbing people with them"

is that why every military patrol in iraq is getting mugged?

Hasn't US basically handed the patrolling of the streets to the Iraqis some time ago? Before that the US military patrols took a lot of hits, and a lot of attacks from small weapons, IED's, VBIED's, etc. So, err, what was your point?

Man! you must see in long-term way....
 

I'ts hard for both U.S and Mexico to handle this situation,as you now so are many people involved to find right way for act,Money is, power and this is one of the reason to the situation,the drug dealer don't care.

I'm well aware of your "skewed" view and idea of what America is, please do not try and uneducated me in culture. We are not all fat, we do not all do drugs ( I consider drugs everything hard, like coke, crack, meth, that crap, not marijuana or K2 or stuff like that.) And we all are certainly not evil.

It is not a failed "Drug War". If Mexico can't/won't find a way to solve the problem themselves (obviously they can't, they are to corrupt) then I imagine we will get involved in a more not so subtle way. We have absolutely every right to defend our citizens and we will do it as we see fit. Right now its is rightfully so that the Mexican Police (the bastards who pointed fire arms at us.) be the ones to do the heavy lifting after all it is their country they are trying to clean up Of course the Mexicans show their true ignorance when they rant about the Arizona law (Hell Yea Arizona!) saying that it isn't fair. Funny the last time I checked it is more fair and lenient than the Federal Law which the idiot administration doesn't want to invoke because the want Hispanic votes for the up coming November Elections. That is way they are "making" such a big deal about it. I say "making" because one way or the other come November there will be no way it will pass a Republican Congress, and if the Republicans don't win (which I doubt) then the Democratic will not careless about it anymore and nothing more will come of it.

The way I see it, it is a joint effort on both parts (and Canada don't forget) to try and close out our borders to unwanted scum, like drug traffickers. This also logically bleeds into Immigration since some if not most of the illegals that come through the borders are trafficking drugs.

You just live the in Twilight Zone, no not the kiddy vampire movie, the other reality one. Actually no, I think the vampire one is more terrifying lol.:|\\

One question: Does the US say no to drug money? Look at Miami, that city was basically built with cocaine and drug money.

my point was no patrol i have heard of has ever had all they're guns stolen out of they're hands like it sounds like Zachstar is saying would happen to a group of armed people.

I remember seeing footage of a VBIED - attack against a US armored carrier and then the aftermath of the attackers dragging the US soldiers bodies around. If they wanted their guns they could've gotten them but I think they have their own guns and they don't attack the Americans in order to get their weapons.

valid point, but i don't think the risk of VBIED's are quite as high here in the US, so my point of it being unlikely for a group of armed people to be mugged for they're guns is still on the table.

Well what the US does is kind of like what goes on in Mars to me, really far away. However with the recent school shootings here in Finland we had some debate about handguns. As a result of this the US organisation NRA set up 'corner office' here. Seems to me their purpose is to promote US gun lobby intrests...in Finland. Weird.

Now I don't really care what they do in US, that's your business. But for the NRA to come here and set up office here is the equivalent of political meddling in the affairs of another nation and I don't really look favourably on that kind of stuff especially after the tragedies we had recently.

"recent school shootings here in Finland"
i had not heard of that i'm sorry.:cry:

Well the shootings took place in -07 and -08, then a shopping mall shooting in late -09 so there is this unpleasant trend of 'one big shooting per year' going on now. I hope it doesn't continue though, there hasn't yet been one for this year. The school shooters idolized the Columbine school shooters and there was a connection to a US kid with the first shooter. So, really unwanted phenomena overall.

But you know, I've had relatives who've lived in the States, one of them still does I think, I used to worry about their safety. Like I said it's a pretty far away place for me to comprehend politically even though we see US shows on television and have seen for a long time. The Americans seem to be into their guns, especially hand guns which so far haven't been that popular here, we are more hunting rifle/shotgun nation.

That explains a lot. If your relatives lived in my neighborhood they'd be under my wing without knowing it. The history here may be streaked with blood here and there, OTH. But... like any other country/tribe/culture we have those who stand at the outskirts and keep watch.

Columbine. That was the big one - it took us all off guard, Herring. Comparisons can be drawn between the US and Finland's sudden increase in those types of incidents, and perhaps to some degree it did start here. I do not know for certain. But it tears people up no matter where it happens. That much I do know. Kids here in some schools must pass through metal detectors as they enter those buildings each morning. Do I want my kids to live under that kind of fearful mindset? No. It pisses me off to the utmost when I think about it -- no kid should have to know that fear. If I had the power, it would never happen. Period.

Anyway, there you have it. Sorry to disrupt the thread like that.


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Don't worry too much about your family, they're in good hands.

"OneToughHerring" especially hand guns which so far haven't been that popular here, we are more hunting rifle/shotgun nation"

well the main point of a hand gun is to get to you're rifle.:DL

It kind of depends on what side of the line we're on, but for the most part I'd have to agree. Personally, I'm more of a plinking marksman. :DL