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Cdre Gibs 11-01-06 10:19 AM

Actualy, it is, just as it is for any one from the GW Mod Team.

Kpt. Lehmann 11-01-06 10:40 AM

Potoroo,

From this professional. Do not think for one moment that I do not have a say in the form the installer takes. Furthermore, I do listen to my team and the concerns they voice matter to me when I make decisions.

Again, thanks for peeing all over a thread that was meant to be positive. If you are such an intellectual and professional, you would have identified the logical requirement to handle things further in private.

Take your hoity toity elitist attitude and stick it in yer.... favorite orifice.

Anyone can talk a thing to death. So feel free. I'm done with this thread and with you. After 12 hours of real drama... I have no more time for yours. The floor is now COMPLETELY yours to spout whatever crap you like.

mountainmanUK 11-01-06 10:51 AM

To get back to a positive note......

I don't care what kind of installer it has, so long as it can get GWX onto my computer somehow that will allow me to play!!!

It wouldn't matter if it came as 27 different Zipped-up files that I needed to decompress and merge first!

Or even if it was on 488 floppies that I had to shove, one by one, into my non-existent Floppy Drive (Remember the good old days?)

Even if my system got screwed up by it, I wouldn't complain about it, I would just get my CDs out and reinstall whatever I needed to.Some may say "Why wouldn't you complain that your system had been screwed by this $&^*($£ Mod"....my reply would be.......


"COS IT'S FREE!!! And I was the one who decided to run it"

So long as I can have this fab-sounding "X-pansion" to my SH3 and GW (and also NYGM;) ) playing......I AM ONE HAPPY BUNNY!!

Thank you, GW Team, for all your hard work.

Signed,

One extremely grateful Kaleun:D

Roads88 11-01-06 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper
Only a few weeks 'til Grey Wolves Expansion... Only seven days 'til best-friend home from hospital in Oslo... Only a quarter 'til Silent Hunter 4...:ping: Life. Is. Good.

According to UBRS GWX will be out in the second half of december? Thats not a few weeks?
How about this "In a few weeks it will be just a few weeks":up:

Thanks guys for all your hard work. I for one am very happy you are doing this for us.:sunny:

ref 11-01-06 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainmanUK
Or even if it was on 488 floppies that I had to shove, one by one, into my non-existent Floppy Drive (Remember the good old days?)

Specially when floppy #476 gives an error :D

Ref

The Munster 11-01-06 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
Quote:

Originally Posted by Potoroo
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann
I also listen to what people don't say. You are bothered that we aren't giving you a simple way to de-construct the mod package per your post on page one or two.

Your first post on this thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Potoroo
Does the auto-installer at least give you the option of choosing the installation folder you want to use? If it doesn't that's a major design flaw. Having it doesn't impede the install-and-play user but it does unnecessarily impede the modder.

Allowing for a user to have a convenient place to dump the GWX files for the sake of picking and choosing does not concern us.

In that case I think you've radically misunderstood what I've said. I have said I have no problem with the requirement GWX be installed intact. I have said I have no problem with the requirement GWX be installed over a clean 1.4b. I just want that clean 1.4b to be somewhere other than the default path. That's it. No deconstruction of GWX is involved.

In my scenario, for which (as I said way back) I purposely keep my default 1.4b pristine, is that I copy that to another folder and subsequently install GWX over the copy. Very simple, very clean. No reinstallation of anything is required.

:doh: Really WTF is ur problem....a Path.
I have 3 Installations on my computer
I have 3 Icons on my Desktop
3 Icons that lead to the right Path
Launching is no problem
and why do u care where its installed anyway? really wtf!:damn:
and now most of the Auto installers are ''Default path'' some others let u choose
live with what you get an stfu about it.

Hope you don't mind me asking but do you launch a particular version of the game by clicking on the associated icon ? The answer is important to me as I have 1 version on my Computer and 2 on my external Hard Drive but do not have a stock SHIII with 1.4 [I accidentally deleted it] Basically, I have 3 Frankenstein Monsters then killed the creator ! .. and .. I can't bring him back to life; when I put the DVD in and try to install or repair, I get error messages so I will wait until the GWX release then take it from there.

mr chris 11-01-06 12:38 PM

WTF Why is Gibs in the brig?:nope:
What the hell has he done wrong?
The person that brought all the trouble to this thread was Potoroo with his elitest attuide:yep:

Gizzmoe 11-01-06 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr chris
WTF Why is Gibs in the brig?:nope:
What the hell has he done wrong?

Several things. He´ll be back in seven days.

mr chris 11-01-06 12:51 PM

Well i look forward to next thursday it will be a duller place without him around. :yep:
It is a shame he is in the brig for seven days for speaking his mind. That is if he is in the brig for what he posted on this thread?

HunterICX 11-01-06 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Munson
Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX
Quote:

Originally Posted by Potoroo
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann
I also listen to what people don't say. You are bothered that we aren't giving you a simple way to de-construct the mod package per your post on page one or two.

Your first post on this thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Potoroo
Does the auto-installer at least give you the option of choosing the installation folder you want to use? If it doesn't that's a major design flaw. Having it doesn't impede the install-and-play user but it does unnecessarily impede the modder.

Allowing for a user to have a convenient place to dump the GWX files for the sake of picking and choosing does not concern us.

In that case I think you've radically misunderstood what I've said. I have said I have no problem with the requirement GWX be installed intact. I have said I have no problem with the requirement GWX be installed over a clean 1.4b. I just want that clean 1.4b to be somewhere other than the default path. That's it. No deconstruction of GWX is involved.

In my scenario, for which (as I said way back) I purposely keep my default 1.4b pristine, is that I copy that to another folder and subsequently install GWX over the copy. Very simple, very clean. No reinstallation of anything is required.

:doh: Really WTF is ur problem....a Path.
I have 3 Installations on my computer
I have 3 Icons on my Desktop
3 Icons that lead to the right Path
Launching is no problem
and why do u care where its installed anyway? really wtf!:damn:
and now most of the Auto installers are ''Default path'' some others let u choose
live with what you get an stfu about it.

Hope you don't mind me asking but do you launch a particular version of the game by clicking on the associated icon ? The answer is important to me as I have 1 version on my Computer and 2 on my external Hard Drive but do not have a stock SHIII with 1.4 [I accidentally deleted it] Basically, I have 3 Frankenstein Monsters then killed the creator ! .. and .. I can't bring him back to life; when I put the DVD in and try to install or repair, I get error messages so I will wait until the GWX release then take it from there.

First of all when I reinstalled my computer I installed 1 Fresh SH3 installation.
and that one I copied/Paste 2 times in the same folder but with different names
Before Pasting change the name of the Original Folder first to SH3 Stock or else Windows will ask to Overwrite that map

1.SH3 Stock
2.SH3 +MM (MM = Minor Mods)
3.SH3 GW

I copied 3 Icons on the Desktop with the corresponding names
Sh3 Stock
Sh3 MM
Sh3 GW

first they are pointing to the same SH3 folder , so you right click
select Properties and then you change the Target to for example
"C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\SH3GW\sh3.exe"
and the Start In field
"C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\SH3GW\"

Gizzmoe 11-01-06 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr chris
It is a shame he is in the brig for seven days for speaking his mind. That is if he is in the brig for what he posted on this thread?

No, that´s not the reason.

Onkel Neal 11-01-06 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr chris
Well i look forward to next thursday it will be a duller place without him around. :yep:
It is a shame he is in the brig for seven days for speaking his mind. That is if he is in the brig for what he posted on this thread?

Gibbs sent the moderator (Gizz) a PM quoting some arguing in this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...084#post337084

Gibbs meant that as "reporting a bad post", which is fine. But Gizzmoe didn't know that, he thought Gibbs sent the PM by mistake, that is was meant for "thepoon", so Gizz replied "Wrong address"

Instead of explaining, Gibbs fired back some very rude and unacceptable remarks aimed personally at Gizz. Gibbs has been asked in the past to be more cordial, by me and other mods. It's just not helpful for people to abuse other people in PM.

mr chris 11-01-06 01:39 PM

Thanks Neal for letting us know the details of what he done wrong.

WilhelmSchulz. 11-01-06 03:20 PM

oh. I was starting to get the felling that the mods just suspend people for jolies. I was wrong.:oops:

stabiz 11-01-06 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainmanUK
Or even if it was on 488 floppies that I had to shove, one by one, into my non-existent Floppy Drive (Remember the good old days?)

:D I still use floppy disks! I am a writer, and large portions of text fits just nicely on a floppy. (No, I am not ashamed :rotfl:)

On topic:

Looking foreward to GWX and countless hours of hunting.

Agh ... waiting just plain sucks, it always does.

Potoroo 11-01-06 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann
Again, thanks for peeing all over a thread that was meant to be positive. If you are such an intellectual and professional, you would have identified the logical requirement to handle things further in private.

I considered it but since I had no confidence you'd have been any more reasonable in private I decided it would be a waste of time.
Quote:

Take your hoity toity elitist attitude and stick it in yer.... favorite orifice.
Anyone can talk a thing to death. So feel free. I'm done with this thread and with you. After 12 hours of real drama... I have no more time for yours. The floor is now COMPLETELY yours to spout whatever crap you like.
Quote:

Originally Posted by mr chris
The person that brought all the trouble to this thread was Potoroo with his elitest attuide

When the person who wrote the installer vindicates every single thing I said I'm somehow to blame? I don't think so.

I'm not elitist. I'm a professional programmer and this was a programming issue. What really seems to be sticking in some people's craws is that I was right and that I refused to be bullied. The people who were so adamantly wrong are the ones who "peed" on this thread.

I've read about the number of people who no longer participate in these forums because they've turned nasty and vicious, and now I see what they mean.

Onkel Neal 11-01-06 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Potoroo
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann
Again, thanks for peeing all over a thread that was meant to be positive. If you are such an intellectual and professional, you would have identified the logical requirement to handle things further in private.

I considered it but since I had no confidence you'd have been any more reasonable in private I decided it would be a waste of time.
Quote:

Take your hoity toity elitist attitude and stick it in yer.... favorite orifice.
Anyone can talk a thing to death. So feel free. I'm done with this thread and with you. After 12 hours of real drama... I have no more time for yours. The floor is now COMPLETELY yours to spout whatever crap you like.
Quote:

Originally Posted by mr chris
The person that brought all the trouble to this thread was Potoroo with his elitest attuide

When the person who wrote the installer vindicates every single thing I said I'm somehow to blame? I don't think so.

I'm not elitist. I'm a professional programmer and this was a programming issue. What really seems to be sticking in some people's craws is that I was right and that I refused to be bullied. The people who were so adamantly wrong are the ones who "peed" on this thread.

I've read about the number of people who no longer participate in these forums because they've turned nasty and vicious, and now I see what they mean.

Potoroo,

are you posting in this thread to assist the GW team or tweak their nose? Because when people write in the spirit of cooperation, the forums don't get so nasty and vicious.

raymond6751 11-01-06 06:45 PM

Duh
 
I am amazed at the ranting going on. The nastiness is extended when it is replied to with more.

Folks...when someone GIVES you something for FREE and you bitch about it LOUDLY in public...

It doesn't make anyone comfortable and it makes the giver sorry he/she ever was generous with their time in the first place.

How many modders, reading through this thread, would want to continue ?:roll:

Potoroo 11-01-06 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens
Potoroo,
are you posting in this thread to assist the GW team or tweak their nose? Because when people write in the spirit of cooperation, the forums don't get so nasty and vicious.

When I'm unfairly criticised or abused I'm entitled to respond. I also tend to respond badly to people trying to bully me. Call it a character flaw if you want but that's the way I am. I don't pretend to be a saint.

I was trained in a paradigm called "egoless programming". I don't know if that term is still used but it should be. In that paradigm I take it for granted I will make mistakes and I don't take it personally when they're pointed out. I certainly don't go off in a huff to sulk when my critic turns out to be right. I simply don't get the concept of attacking the messenger, yet that's what's happening to me even now when I've been completely vindicated.

I admit I responded to that nasty piece of work, Cdre_Gibs, very late last night my time with a couple of bourbons under the belt, which was a mistake. But I would also suggest I've responded more moderately to the nastiness hurled my way than had I chosen to respond in kind.
Quote:

Originally Posted by raymond6751
Folks...when someone GIVES you something for FREE and you bitch about it LOUDLY in public...

When someone says they're going to give you something for free and the way they describe it it's going to cause problems for you and others you should feel obliged to "bitch". Why on earth should you be silent about someone putting a lot of time and effort into doing something badly?

P_Funk 11-01-06 07:44 PM

Potoroo this thing of saying that you are a professional programmer and therefore it lets you be superior and not respectful of the old salts on the forums who have earned the respect and admiration of the members here is a matter of arrogance. That you were proven correct doesn't excuse the superiority with which you went about expressing yourself. You obviously don't care much for the opinions of others here since you make no polite concessions towards peaceful disagreement. You seem to think that since you have a professional background whenever someone disagrees with your "professional opinion" they must be mad and toatlly wrong. Kpt. Lehmann said he had made his decision and yet you persisted. You declared him to be unreasonable at one point and that can only be a conclusion you drew based on his diagreement with you.

Really this superiority is the kind of thing that drove me away from other message boards and killed many that were good. Here you are no one and can only be known by how you behave. Nothing is worse for a message board than to have an expert with no respect for his peer lest they totally submit to his logic.

I disagreed with Kpt. Lehmann on Page 2 but now I'm totally on his side. Your contempt for those who are valued members of this community leaves a sour taste in my mouth.


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