I haven't seen any proof of Bush lying to get us into war. Nor have I seen any proof showing we're there for oil.

Do me a favor, on your response to this post, show the proof. If it was posted you could easily do that, right? Good.

And BTW, comparing Kim-Jong-Il and George W. Bush as equals shows you have no grasp of reality. I think many here can see that assertion is blatantly ridiculous...even if you don't like Mr. Bush.

The American left said the same regarding Election 2004. And look how it turned out.

A good indicator will be November for sure. I'm not too sure you're going to be very happy though. Maybe.....maybe not. ;)

Well your right. I shouldn't compare the two of them. That was unfair of me. Kim Jong Il is probably the better man since he hasn't actually attacked another nation like Mr. Bush has.

Here is a fact table that shows what he has lied about...

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributor...7/22_lies.html

therefore, by posting a source of proof this matter is resolved.

That's OK. But what about these people.

http://www.freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html

Liars? Looks like they agree whole-heartedly with Mr. Bush.

And Kim Jong-Il is the better man? Well.....you can always move to North Korea if the USA is that bad. Nobodies stopping you. There are no walls keeping you here. I'm sure Mr. Kim would love to have you. ;)

Well unfortunately someone has to take the wrap and it might as well be the leader of the country. As the president he has and holds the "responsibility" of his actions more so than any other man for he is our "leader". If Bush didn't create the exact lie about WMD he should still carry the wrath of it since all of this happened on his watch. If you are a skipper on a submarine and you are in your bunk asleep when your conn officer runs you into the mud, you will still have to take the FULL responsibilty for his mistake. Bush has NO integrity as I believe most politicians, lawyers, etc don't. They are a bunch of liars and swindlers that lead people from one idea to the next using real war, real death, real blood, to do their talking.

I have no plans to move to North Korea. My home is here. I can only hope that the people of this country have learned a valuable lesson from all this and never vote republican again.

I am not a democrat either. I am an independant free spirit and mind.

*shrug* and the American right is any better? Here are some gems of Wisdom from leading commentators from this political sphere:

Ann Coulter:

The "backbone of the Democratic Party" is a "typical fat, implacable welfare recipient" ---syndicated column 10/29/99

To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."---MSNBC

"If you don't hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country."---George, 7/99

Bill O'Reilly:

"You want to have two guys making out in front of your 4-year-old? It's OK with them. A guy smoking a joint, blowing the smoke into your little kid's face? OK with them. And I'm not exaggerating here. This is exactly what the secular movement stands for."

"Will African-Americans break away from the pack thinking and reject immorality - because that's the reason the family's breaking apart--alcohol, drugs, infidelity. You have to reject that, and it doesn't seem - and I'm broadly speaking here, but a lot of African-Americans won't reject it."

Rush Limbaugh:

"The poorest people in America are better off than the mainstream families of Europe."

"It has not been proven that nicotine is addictive, the same with cigarettes causing emphysema [and other diseases]."

Sean Hannity:

During Clinton's term in office:

"My question to you is from all reports that I have been able to dig up, 2,000 killed in Kosovo in the last year. We keep hearing the president refer genocide, ethnic cleansing, comparisons to Adolf Hitler. Is the president purposefully using propaganda and hyperbole to garner the American public for support?" -- Hannity, March 26, 1999

"Slobodan Milosevic is a bad guy. He's an evil man. Horrible things are happening. I agree with that. Is Bill O'Reilly then saying we go to Rwanda, Burundi, Somalia, Sudan? Where does this stop? And when you look at sheer numbers, 2,000 -- and I'm not minimizing death. It's horrible. What this man is doing with ethnic cleansing is abhorrent, but sheer numbers -- 2,000 killed in the last year versus hundreds of thousands, millions in some cases in other parts of the world. Are you saying the United States should go to all those places?" -- - Hannity, on "The O'Reilly Factor," April 5, 1999

During Bush's:

"You're not listening, Susan. You've got to learn something. He had weapons of mass destruction. He promised to disclose them. And he didn't do it. You would have let him go free; we decided to hold him accountable." (4/13/04)

"'I hate America.' This is the extreme left. There is a portion of the left -- not everybody who's left -- that does hate this country and blame this country for the ills of the world..." (1/23/02)

"I never questioned anyone's patriotism." (9/18/03)

I don't mind him taking responsibility for his actions. Ain't it great we have a system where we change the government every few years? Hopefully the Iraqi's will have this form of government functional in a few years. But of course you don't want to see that because then Bush will get credit.

Hold Bush accountable for wrongs, that's fine. But don't make crap up to push your politics. It's when charges of lying are asserted...with nothing to back it up that I have a problem. It's when assertions are made that we invaded for the sole purposes of stealing oil, and enriching Bush personally....with nothing to back up the claims that I have a problem.

Why not move to North Korea if Bush is worse than Kim Jong-Il as you claim? It's quite likely Republicans will see electoral success in the future. :)

I don't subscribe to everything these people say. Nor have I used their quotes to make a point. But I don't see anything overwhelmingly toxic like I see coming from the left from the examples you describe. Things like...."Bush is an idiot and a chimp"....."screw the Bush regime and their cabal"......."Bush is hitler"...........and our favorite one from this evening "Bush is worse than Kim Jong-Il" :roll:

What do you know of Kim Jong Il? Only what Bush followers and supporters will tell you. Have you ever been to North Korea? Have you ever met Kim Jong il?

The way I see it is the way God sees it. One man (Bush) has brought his country to war to kill people and the other (Kim Jong Il) hasn't.

Scandium, still willing to make any comparison regardless of how ridiculous in his one man personal war with our chief executive eh? :roll:

So tell me, how long did the people behind the Pearl Harbor remain at large Scandium? What did it take in lives and money bring them to justice? Do you advocate a similar effort for one single man whose elimination would not end his organization?

Right. :up::doh: Mr. Kim is a wonderful man, and North Korea is a wonderrful, glorious, prosperous, free, and peace-loving nation. Much more moral than America. I mean after all, Bush invaded Iraq for the sole purpose of killing civilians and stealing their oil. :roll: (Sarcasm off)

Actually, I recommend you request to live in North Korea for a year or two. You might actually learn something. ;) Oh, and don't forget to display your picture of the "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-Il. Penalties are stiff if his own population does not display a picture of him in their house, according to those who've actually travelled there.

Bush invaded Iraq for personal reasons. This is why he is such a cad and this is why he is no longer popular in the publics eye. He and many others led the world to believe that Iraq and Sadaam was the real problem when Osama really was and still is. Why has he not be found? He's probably to valuable to Bush to have him captured. His presence in this world instills fear into Americans and that is what Bush needs to help his war campaign. He needs the American people to be afraid.

I'll tell you what. How about you and I go out to polls come election time and you vote for you man and I'll vote for mine - therefore cancelling each other out! A waste of our time. It will be left up to the rest of America to decide who the next president is. I will be the one voting for the guy that wants us to pull the hell out! What we have here is another Vietnam in the works that will NEVER end and you'll end up being the hypocrit liar that lives the rest of his life stating you never supported the war in Iraq to make yourself look good. War is a sin, supporting a man who presses a war makes you just as sinful and guilty as him.

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They aren't free, nor peace loving. But it's the same with Bush. Don't you see that he's Blitzing you with Propaganda? Seems not. But WTH, if i would have to choose i would take Kim. That Crazy Dictator can't do so much harm than Bush can, did, and Possibly still will do. Have you watched that "News" (More a Roumor) that Kim has the Atomic Bomb? How much he has? One, maybe to old russian ones with are so old that the sure will be duds! And thats a Threat?

And IMHO Bush DID invade Iraq for the sole purpose of stealing oil. I mean, what danger was Saddam for the USA? And, saying he had weapons off mass Destruction (Another Wierd Thing: Why can america have 'em and Any other Nation Not? WTF!) a thousand times (And that was the Official Reason for the Iraq war BTW) does not change the Fact That SADDAM HAD NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!
Saddam just made the Big error to Displease Bush. Now he got his Arse Kicked.

Alright, how about this. I'm a Big fan and Believer of:

CCCCCAAAASSSTROOOO!!!!!

What have you to say on this matter, Sea Demon?

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OK. Now you're just starting to sound like a madman. You're free to hold your opinions, but it would help your cause if you actually prove your assertions. You post nothing but conspiracy theory. I'm sure Mr. Kim Jong-Il would love you.

well i'm just going to point out something real quick...from the point of 9/11 which is a terrible day in american history, democrats...now i'm not saying all democrats but a lot have been totally against doing anything forceful/military when it came to the attack on our soil, they think that this can be resolved with negotiations/peace talks and the like. now heres a little about me-i am not a republican, i am not a democrat, i am what they call neutral and have honest beliefs of what is moral and what is not so you cant say anything about me just not liking democrats. now it has been proven that iraq, suddam and others that were behind him funded and helped terrorist orginizations. now look at it this way, terrorists blew up world trade centers...NOT a military target, just a bunch or your everyday civilians with normal lives and family's. suddam and his rassim (or however the ******* you spell it) killed tons of innocent people in iraq, so whats the difference between a terrorist orginization and suddam?! when we went to war with iraq we went to take him out of power and work on stopping terrorism. i mean seriously...you think after the thousands of people that lost thier lives on 9/11 that bush would just sit there and do nothing...now granted he probably used the WMD as a mere reason to get into iraq and do what we did but seriously people...it was for the better good of not just us but the whole world that we invaded and smashed quite a good deal of the terrorism nation. and if you think about it its not just us in this...terrorists have also attacked england and because of that england is behind us. now you have to ask yourself, if you had family members (dad, mom, brother, sister, extended family) killed in 9/11 wouldnt you expect the president of the united states to atleast do something to stop future terrorist actions against us and even any other nation?! i know i would. i lost my uncle and 2 cousins that all worked in those buildings and i'll be damned if this country is just going to sit on its ass and do nothing.

how can you think bush is in it for the oil?! you think bush has his own oil refinery that he takes all the oil he wants and puts it in his own reserves and refines his own oil into whatever he wants and then what...uses it? sells it?! hell no, he would have no need at all to go in there and take oil when he will not profit from it one bit. oil companys have trades set up to get oil from there to the united states for processing, the war in iraq granted might make the oil business a lot more risky but bush himself i can guarentee is not tied to any sort of oil laundering of any kind...so if he's in it just for the oil then whats he doing with it and hows he doing it?!

anyways just my kinda $0.02