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Subnuts 06-06-06 02:13 PM

Come to think of it, I think the Simpsons episode Simpson Tide was more realistic than Crimson Tide.

Even if it is a bit hard to believe that Lenin could come back from the dead, or that a depth charge could cause a pinhole leak that could only be plugged with an earring, or that penguins have their own navy. :roll:

And I sorta doubt that anyone would put a naval base a half mile upstream from a waterfall.

Kurushio 06-06-06 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ula Jolly
I have to stress that an Oscar never meant anything for REALISM, I think we all can agree on that... Gladiator is a horrible proof of it, too (yes, I am a submarine-aviation-ancient Rome's history buff). And Oscars don't always go to those who deserve them, the best example being Morgan Freeman (who's destined to get some Oscar in a bad movie, just so that he'll actually GET it, it drives me nuts). /rant off.

As I keep on saying....movies today cannot be 100 per cent realistic. Gladiator is much like Crimson Tide. I'm not a Roman history buff like you, but I watch the occassional documentary. You have to admit, they did a pretty good job. The Emperor was correct, wasn't he? Around that timeline...and the Colloseum was pretty much correct...you know...round etc. :doh:

Kurushio 06-06-06 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Subnuts
Come to think of it, I think the Simpsons episode Simpson Tide was more realistic than Crimson Tide.

Even if it is a bit hard to believe that Lenin could come back from the dead, or that a depth charge could cause a pinhole leak that could only be plugged with an earring, or that penguins have their own navy. :roll:

And I sorta doubt that anyone would put a naval base a half mile upstream from a waterfall.

The only thing I didn't like about Crimson Tide was the Russian rebellion scenario. It's been done to death...though that was just a plote nuance. I could live with the funny instruments and dials etc...that's expected.

Though I think most of you hate the fact that Crimson Tide is a modern day sub movie, and you're all SH3 fanatics. It's dicrimination against modern subs...I've seen it before. :dead:


Look at this pic (it's from a zombie movie) :yep: :

http://www.rom.gr/ROM7/images/g/das%...%20gen%204.jpg

Sailor Steve 06-06-06 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
It's still the military mindset, something I'm beginning to suspect you don't understand

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Originally Posted by Kurushio
Mate, he started the insulting by saying I'd never wore a uniform. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

I didn't say you never wore a uniform, but it's close enough for government work. I apologize if I was wrong, but that's the vibe I was getting from your comments. Also, someone else defending me is not the same as me not being able to take it.

Besides, I like my Spiderman PJs.

Ula Jolly 06-06-06 02:27 PM

I don't know about my fellow forummates, but I personally have much more knowledge about modern submarines than those sixty year old ones, and definitely like them better (though I do dislike nuclear ones, sometimes they seem so all-powerful. Personal bias). If you do have to blame our argumenting against you on that we dislike old subs, honestly you're lost of ammunition. And Gladiator didn't even get the bloody Colosseum right, it beefed it up in size unnaturally much. Pilas, essentials in Roman warfare tactics, were never used, the clothing was all and everywhere off, blaaah blaaah blaaah. Good story, messed up production (don't know about you, but when I spot TWO cameras the first time I watch the movie, something IRKS me).
The only really believable thing about CT was the Russian rebellion.

bigboywooly 06-06-06 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurushio
The book was written by someone who "was there"? :rotfl:He wasn't exactly a submariner...actually, no..he wasn't. He just took a trip on one once. Didn't one of the crew say that he got a lot of things wrong and he was crazy to think he would know how life on a U-boat would be?

And yes, in 1981 there was less pressure to make money in movies then there is today. ;)

I don't care...say what you want...fact remains I fell asleep on the first 3 attempts at watching The Boot. :88)

one more trip than you took in a uboat

Kurushio 06-06-06 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
I didn't say you never wore a uniform, but it's close enough for government work. I apologize if I was wrong, but that's the vibe I was getting from your comments. Also, someone else defending me is not the same as me not being able to take it.

Besides, I like my Spiderman PJs.

What is "close enough for government work"? I was in a cav regiment. Tanks...maybe not as cool as a sub, but nonetheless, I have served. You lot have it good on a ship...good food etc.

Kurushio 06-06-06 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ula Jolly
I don't know about my fellow forummates, but I personally have much more knowledge about modern submarines than those sixty year old ones, and definitely like them better (though I do dislike nuclear ones, sometimes they seem so all-powerful. Personal bias). If you do have to blame our argumenting against you on that we dislike old subs, honestly you're lost of ammunition. And Gladiator didn't even get the bloody Colosseum right, it beefed it up in size unnaturally much. Pilas, essentials in Roman warfare tactics, were never used, the clothing was all and everywhere off, blaaah blaaah blaaah. Good story, messed up production (don't know about you, but when I spot TWO cameras the first time I watch the movie, something IRKS me).
The only really believable thing about CT was the Russian rebellion.

You ever been to the Colleseum? You do realise it's not supposed to be like that, right? You also realise it had a roof? I didn't find it "beefed up" in the film. Looked pretty much the same size when I went in there.

The Russian rebellion plot has been done countless times...there was more believable stuff...like the "Flash traffic" orders...they were done well. The way the Captain and XO interacted etc.

Kurushio 06-06-06 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly
one more trip than you took in a uboat

I played tennis once. Think I should sign play at Wimbledon?

CCIP 06-06-06 02:33 PM

Dammit, will you stop knocking Das Boot's actors already? :nope:

There is a difference in perception, obviously. I frankly found the Das Boot cast to be much more sympathetic and easier to relate to, because they not over-acted, they're the same sorts of nobodies that fought the war. That was part of the point.

For the record, I made it mandatory viewing for the rest of my family, and they'd enjoyed the movie quite a bit, despite not being fans of submarines to any extent. My brother even came back for seconds.

You'd think from your postings that all these people who like the movie, including myself, are utter idiots who don't know anything about good films or acting. There can't possibly a good reason why so many of us are coming back to watch it for the Nth time, right? :hmm:

Kurushio 06-06-06 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP
Dammit, will you stop knocking Das Boot's actors already? :nope:

There is a difference in perception, obviously. I frankly found the Das Boot cast to be much more sympathetic and easier to relate to, because they not over-acted, they're the same sorts of nobodies that fought the war. That was part of the point.

For the record, I made it mandatory viewing for the rest of my family, and they'd enjoyed the movie quite a bit, despite not being fans of submarines to any extent. My brother even came back for seconds.

You'd think from your postings that all these people who like the movie, including myself, are utter idiots who don't know anything about good films or acting. There can't possibly a good reason why so many of us are coming back to watch it for the Nth time, right? :hmm:

No, I think most of you like it because you can relate to it with SH3. I doubt the movie would be so popular without this game. Well, it wasn't since it came out in 1981. :D

Subnuts 06-06-06 02:35 PM

It's gotten so damned hard lately just to express your love of a movie.

Especially when that movie's better than Crimson Tide. :D

Ula Jolly 06-06-06 02:36 PM

This roof you speak of was one of fabric, to be pulled out by manual labour to hang from poles that extended up to form a rather nice system. The same poles that in Colosseum worked as FLAGPOLES (which didn't EXIST at that time).
In the movie Colosseum, the amphitheatre (which is not circular, but shaped like an ellipse) was enlargened to 1.5 the actual size. If that is pretty much the same to you then that's fine by me, but don't claim that my observations don't have anything to say.

bigboywooly 06-06-06 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurushio
I played tennis once. Think I should sign play at Wimbledon?

I play sh3 dont make me a submariner

All I said is he saw it - we didnt
Its a lot more to the truth as he saw it than we could guess at

CCIP 06-06-06 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurushio
No, I think most of you like it because you can relate to it with SH3. I doubt the movie would be so popular without this game. Well, it wasn't since it came out in 1981. :D

Actually, not really. I hadn't even really played SHIII when I first watched it, although I agree that SHIII is one reason I'll keep coming back to it. I've met quite a few people who watched it and liked it without ever touching a subsim, too.

My brother's girlfriend, who studies film, says that it's a fairly well-known movie in film circles and seems to be praised particularly for its camera work. :hmm:


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