AK-101 (5.56x45 NATO)
AK-103 (7.62mm x 39mm)
AK-107 (5.45 x 39 mm)
AK-108 (5.56 x 45 mm NATO)

;)

Yeah i went to gun.ru and found that out right after i made my last post. :D

I don't keep up on firearms that much anymore. Hell, i dont own anything but a shotgun, and that is for bird hunting :roll:

One of thse days im going to buy that home defense shotgun like ive been wanting, but i always find other things that need my monitary attention more.

My father's like "why that shotgun" (and he owns ALOT of firearms) i told him its better to have one and not need it, then to need it and not have it.

My wife wants a handgun, but id rather a shotgun for 2 reasons.

1. LIttle to no aiming required, (as compared to a handgun), your most likely to hit your intruder.

2. less penetration. Id rather not a stray round go through a wall and hit one of my neighbors.

Primary advatnage to a handgun is it would be better in close quarters, but most home defense shotguns are short enough to where its not too much of an issue.

A Marlin .22 my dad gave me for my 12th birthday.

A Marlin .30-30 I bought for myself when I was 18.

A Mossberg 12 Ga. auto to replace the Mossberg 12 Ga. pump my crack-head ex-girlfriend stole to buy crack.

A .45 Auto, because no man should be without a .45.

Various .22 handguns because of their sheer utility.

This is probably all I really need for the rest of my life but I want several more:

Something for long range, like a Ruger No.1 7mm Remington Magnum with a scope that cost more than the rifle.

Something for big bears or engine blocks like a Marlin .45-70.

And if I ever got rich: a Blaser Bock-drilling.

Gun control means hitting your target.

Cheers,

JBC

This would be fun, i just dont know if you can get a licence for it here :) http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh07-e.htm

If I ever do purchase a firearm that is the one I’m going for. :up:

These i would also like to own. The SAKO Rk-95 http://world.guns.ru/assault/as43-e.htm , IMI Micro-Galil http://world.guns.ru/assault/as23-e.htm, H&K MP5 http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg14-e.htm , AS50 http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn67-e.htm , SAKO TRG 42 http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn22-e.htm , Pecheneg http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg30-e.htm .. :D After i edited the M4A1 and Barret of the list, no US weapons remain, funny thing. :oops:

One thing about that AK-74 is that gas line. Touch it the wrong way and your whole gun is screwed which is its biggest weakness. Of course, most of the AK's I shot are typically very reliable in any environment.

THis brings me to the M-16 and AR-15 I agree that some of them are tempermental, but what I have found is that the gas port and how it connects to the bolt is what causes any M-16 or AR-15 to be tempermental. Mine is perfect so I never have a jam in any kind of climate / weather / conditions. It works regardless of how crammed up with junk it is no problem. The only other real issue I have seen is magazines. My old Colt mags suck and will jam once in a while, but the Bushmaster with the green follower work flawlessly time and time again. What I have is in effect a well operating gun that I would bet my life on.

I did come across one time of an M-16 that was purchased by a friend of mine. It was completely as tempermental as you say. At first it was thought that tiny bits of sand from the AZ desert was the cause and it was even put through the sonic cleaners to no effect. Even though the gas port looked fine, it was readjusted anyway and it turned out to be the cuase. Now you can fill that thing with muck and grime and put 3000 rounds through in a a few hours and it still won't jam. Matter of fact, I don't ever remember even having to force the bolt closed after putting a ton of ammo through it.

Yes I agree - cleaning sucks and that is why I don't care to go shooting much either anymore because of the hours of cleaning afterwards. I need to buy one of those sonic cleaners I think. My friend just pops his stuff apart, drops it in, and comes back later to a perfectly cleaned part. It makes me sick that I am cleaning and he is off doing whatever while his stuff gets cleaned for him!

-S

PS. Go try a fully auto Kirkov if you ever get the chance. Though it is not the most accurate thing, it throws a flame like nothing else!

This is my shotgun. Mossberg model 590

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You got the bayonet for that? Might even be useful in a home invasion type of scenario.. Werent you
ex SF? Nice supprise for the one that brakes in the house with you and that arsenal :lol:

I grew up with guns in the house

22 nylon 66
300 magnum
357 magnum pistol

qualified in the USN on

45 auto pistol
12 guage pump
Thompson 45 submachinegun
M-14
M-16
M-60 LMG
(Nuclear Weapons Security Alert Team)

I didn't own a firearm from 1978 to 2004 when I took my latest job maintaining Microwave radio sites on the mountaintops of New Mexico. After seeing the Grizzley Bear signs at San Antonio Mtn(Big Dents on the walls and roof of the site), I bought a nice Romanian folding-stock AK-47(7.62) with 2 30 round clips(the same gun Bin-Laden uses in the file footage). Since I'm usually 200 mile from home, I bought the wife her weapon of choice, a Mossberg 12-guage pump.

Of course, I may start buying more assault weapons if Bush & Cheney keep doing what their doing. The 2nd amendment was drafted as the ultimate popular check on governmental power.

Yeah my AR bayonet fits on it, although i normally don't keep it mounted, therefore it wouldn't be useful in a home defense situation.

I couldn't think of a better home defense weapon than a pump shotgun, even if money and gun laws weren't a factor. Nothing says "git" like racking a round into the chamber. Of course i'd rather they did git, but if not it will more than amply take care of business.

Also you're less likely to shoot your foot off with them, buckshot doesn't penetrate walls very well and they can serve as a pretty good club in a pinch.

In Finland you cant shoot to defend your home or business. :-? Even if the invaders are armed. :doh: A gas station owner got sentenced to fines for shooting a robber in the leg. :down: Only one i know that got away with it is the war veteran that shot a guy that broke in his home with an axe. Theres a case in court against a police officer that shot at a drug addict that tried to drive over the officer and other people. :o But i know i wont hesitate if it comes to that , il just buy my guns illegal after that :D

This guard would have been convicted of murder or attempted murder in Finland. http://www.break.com/index/robberyontape.html Somebody even want to get in to prison because you get a monthly check from the state. :doh: The softnes on crime is the most facked up thing in Finland. According to polls it goes against the peoples sense of law and order. Its a result of a socialist experiment, but there are signs its coming to its end :rock:

THat is the dumbest law ever! :) I can't believe people would stand for that. If people are in your home, they have intent to do you or your livelyhood wrong, so I believe you have the right to defend yourself and your possesions. Without a law like that, your crime will continue to rise since there is no consequence if the police can't catch you. Obviously, if these people are breaking into your homes, that is a VERY CLEAR sign that the police are incapable of doing thier jobs.

-S

It does go against what people want. Andt it is going to change as the pressure starts to feell in the parlament. The police is allready getting more rights to do its job. One big problem is the lack of funds in the police forces that leaves many open vacancies. Per capita Finland has the lowest figure of police officers in Europe. The end of Soviet Union brought the drugs and organized crime from Russia , though now we got the Hells Angels and Bandidos of our own also. Positives are that we still have a very small crime rate, probably worlds lowest corruption in the police force and legal system that doesnt make it possible to get off because of any technicalities.