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Puppet, Client or Vassal might be the term you're looking for Markus.

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2629829)

Puppet, Client or Vassal might be the term you're looking for Markus.

'proxy' actually...:O:

This is the footage of what is claimed to be the attack on the Saudis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IdnLwCyV5w

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2629903)

This is the footage of what is claimed to be the attack on the Saudis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IdnLwCyV5w

Yeah, saw that before. "Three brigades wiped out", I beleive it. "Thousands dead or captured". One thid of the mSaudi military taken out. Of course.

The interesting thing is what the reason is why the Houthis raise such claims, and did thnat before with the drone attacks on the refinery. The answer can only be: Iran. Yemen might have gotten underestimated before the war. Which ternalsates into: the amount of Iranian support for Yemen and beefing up its stand in Yemen is what has been underestimated.

Should ring some alarm bells.

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2629837)

'proxy' actually...:O:

:D:up:

The bold allies come to liberate Yemen!

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2629837)

'proxy' actually...:O:

No not proxy more like puppet or vassal
(Thank you August)

I don't think this is a by proxy war I think R.G. is fighting Saudi and its allied right on-by using this group Houthi.

Markus

A lot of groups, either terrorist or freedom fighters would be eliminated without support of their sponsor.

No proof, no links, but you know how gamers think right?

If this little battle that was reported by skybird yesterday

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Houthis claim to have delivered another major serious blow to the Saudi military again, killing hundreds and capturing more, they claim to have destroyed "three Saudi brigades".

and it is already on youtube really happen.

Then what would prevent the Hourhis from having SA vehicles, communications, uniforms, weapons, from moving around inside SA (say up to the North) with Iran's missiles and drones and launching an attack from where ikalugin's map shows it was probably launched from and then disappearing into the next country over with a little help from Iran?

Seems no one can prove where they came from even Iran has taughted everyone with this very same thought.

or here's another thought what if the Saudi's did it themselves: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1WF1T0

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FUJAIRAH, United Arab Emirates (Reuters) - Saudi Aramco has restored full oil production and capacity to the levels they were at before attacks on its facilities on Sept. 14, the chief executive officer of its trading arm, Ibrahim Al-Buainain, said on Monday.

Oil output capacity was restored on Sept. 25, he told a conference in the United Arab Emirates’ city of Fujairah. Oil production was restored to its pre-attack level of about 9.7 million barrels per day or even “a little higher” to replenish inventories

Sure got back together in a hurry while I pay 50 cents more for gas ...

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2629919)

:D:up:

The bold allies come to liberate Yemen!

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2629963)

No not proxy more like puppet or vassal
(Thank you August)

I don't think this is a by proxy war I think R.G. is fighting Saudi and its allied right on-by using this group Houthi.

Markus

I deign to agree Mapuc; a proxy war is fought by state or nonstate entities st the instigation of a party or parties which do not themselves participate visibly in the hostilities...

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The proxy war in the Middle East between Saudi Arabia and Iran is another example of the destructive impact of proxy wars. This conflict has resulted in, among other things, the Syrian Civil War, the rise of ISIL, the current civil war in Yemen, and the reemergence of the Taliban. Since 2003, more than 800,000 have died in Iraq Since 2011, more than 220,000 have died in Syria. In Yemen, over 1,000 have died in just one month.. In Afghanistan, more than 17,000 have been killed since 2009. In Pakistan, more than 57,000 have been killed since 2003.

It almost look like the story of Vietnam is repeating itself

In the beginning the US send instructors to train South Vietnam later US became more and more involved in the fighting

I think the same has happened in Yemen in the beginning those Houthi was trained and got weapons from Iran(R.G) and later R.G got more and more involved in the fighting.

Markus

oops
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/11/expl...ate-media.html

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Two missiles struck an Iranian tanker traveling through the Red Sea off the coast of Saudi Arabia on Friday, Iranian officials said, the latest incident in the region amid months of heightened tensions between Tehran and the U.S.

There was no word from Saudi Arabia on the reported attack and Saudi officials did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Oil prices spiked by 2% on the news.

Iranian state television said the explosion damaged two storerooms aboard the unnamed oil tanker and caused an oil leak into the Red Sea near the Saudi port city of Jiddah.

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2631723)

oops [..]

Not much tears shed ..
However, maybe one of the next missiles (regardless where they come from) could accidentally hit Mr Bin Salman? :hmmm:

Someone should tell CNBC the Saudi port city is called Jeddah and not Jiddah :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50011218

SA must not have wanted to sink the ship ...

Reported to be carrying one million gals of fuel :o

I agree, it somewhat makes no sense to assume the Saudis would have an interets to threaten their own coat and port facilties with an oil pest.

Which makes it a possibole scenario that Iran again is behind this, to show the diversity of means by which it can strike.

Six tankers struck this year, this now is number seven.

However, if the tanker, as reported, was sailing black since two months and behaved suspiciously and switched on and off its localiser, maybe the Saudis finally had enough of it and decided to switch it "on" once and for all after it went live again before Suez.