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Skybird 12-17-19 12:51 PM

They ran out of parking lots. 400 new 737 max planes are parked on Boeing grounds. Its a cash-flow problem, what Boeing is parkign here is not just 400 planes, but also 50 billion coins. The 737 series represents almost half of the yearly value that Boeing is selling per year, and represwnets 70% of its civilian aeronautical selling value. This money now is not coming in, with a certiifcation not expected before sporing next year - at the earliest, many airlines say they will do their own certtzifdicatiosn newly introduced just due to the Boeing desaster. Billions in unknown value have been put aside by Boeing for recourse claims by carriers. The damage for subcontractors and producers of sub-components so far cannot even be fully calculated. The mess of course has full effects in the Dow Jones bilance and affects the whole US economy.



This costs Boeing dearly -and rightly so. The decision makers at Boeing responsible for handling the messy ways of the 737 max project, should go to trial - for gross negligence with multiple death results. For the second crash the accusal is to be raised to multiple slaughter, if not murder. Those responsible at the FAA for it not doing its job properly: the same.

Skybird 01-10-20 06:41 AM

Boeing now is ready to declare simulator retraining for 737max pilots "mandatory", somethign they fought against until now. Meanwhile Boeing worker says the plane "was designed by clowns".



https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51058929

Skybird 02-02-20 07:58 AM

The show goes on.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bo...max-2020-01-31


From earlier last year: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...7-max-troubles

Buddahaid 02-02-20 11:03 AM

While their main competition pays out corruption charges.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51277946

Skybird 02-02-20 11:14 AM

^ Of which the WTO court already found Boeing guilty of as well. Just the penalty sum it has to pay has not yet been decided on.


"Together we betray, together we pay." - Thats true friendship!

Jimbuna 02-02-20 11:33 AM

I'm confident the countries will have no objection to the cash injection.

Skybird 02-07-20 04:28 PM

Another project, but again one that riogns Boeing into troiubled waters and costs immense money, hundreds of millions at least for a repeating of the last starliner test flight. And the problem seems to be of a similiar structural nature like in case with the 737: messed up internal quality control procedures due to financial cuts.



https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/06/na...arliner-issue/

Skybird 02-19-20 05:03 AM

And more good news....


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51499777


Pearls lined up on a string, thats how the good news for Boeing must be thought of, it seems.

Jimbuna 02-19-20 03:30 PM

Quote:

The head of Boeing's 737 programme has told employees that the discovery was "absolutely unacceptable".
A bit of an understatement.

Mr Quatro 02-19-20 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skybirds post
The US plane maker said it discovered so-called "Foreign Object Debris" left inside the wing fuel tanks of several undelivered 737 Maxs.

Wow! We trust them for a lot of military items and Airforce One too ... :o

Rufus Shinra 02-20-20 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro (Post 2650345)
Wow! We trust them for a lot of military items and Airforce One too ... :o

IIRC, the tankers delivered to the USAF had a number of foreign objects found near wiring inside the hulls, and their performance is kinda subpar...

Mr Quatro 06-10-20 12:37 PM

I hope Boeing can make a come back for it's workers :yep:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...rs/ar-BB15fTUJ

Boeing Order Cancellations Overwhelming Its Over New Orders
Quote:

Perhaps the only good news about the report, and perhaps somewhat unsurprising, is that Boeing has been able to sell cargo planes.
Quote:

Boeing's stock price doubled in only about three weeks

Skybird 09-16-20 06:05 PM

Congress repport slams Boeing over 737 Max desasters.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...oeing-n1240192


https://www.today.com/video/new-repo...ax-91871813707



https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54174223


That and Corona together already have costed Boeing several hundred orders. I am looking forward to see that number growing. More trouble lay ahead when the WTO court will finally annoucne the punishment for Boeing, which will give Airbus a retaliation opportunity.



What should both players learn from it? Compete - but play fair. And have security at the very, very, very top of your list with priorities. Boeing obviously has pushed security to the very, very, very bottom of its priorities.



Do I think they will? Hell, not one second.

Mr Quatro 09-16-20 08:20 PM

Plus Boeing changed the name to hide the shame :yep:

https://www.businessinsider.com/boei...rebrand-2020-8

Quote:

For the first time, Boeing dropped the "Max" branding when referring to the specific plane variant, simply calling it the "737-8," rather than the "737 Max 8," the name that the planemaker has used since the aircraft entered service in 2017. It described the plane as belonging to the "737 Max" family of aircraft, differentiating it from the 737-800, which belongs to the 737 Next Generation family, the Max's predecessor.
Boeing has 450 planes stored of the 737 Max aircraft that Boeing has in its inventory

Buddahaid 09-16-20 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2695903)
Congress repport slams Boeing over 737 Max desasters.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...oeing-n1240192


https://www.today.com/video/new-repo...ax-91871813707



https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54174223


That and Corona together already have costed Boeing several hundred orders. I am looking forward to see that number growing. More trouble lay ahead when the WTO court will finally annoucne the punishment for Boeing, which will give Airbus a retaliation opportunity.



What should both players learn from it? Compete - but play fair. And have security at the very, very, very top of your list with priorities. Boeing obviously has pushed security to the very, very, very bottom of its priorities.


Do I think they will? Hell, not one second.


Of course, 2020 hindsight is always brilliant. I doubt Airbus has been any better than need be, they just didn't get hung out and I still think more blame needs to be on the Boeing customers for not training to the standard Boeing published. Shame on Boeing for not realizing their system of price/training levels would lead to so many air disasters but their system was published. Shame on the airlines for not exploring the increased training needs.


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