One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. :yeah:

Trump made a mistake.

100% agreed....who in the future will trust America again especially whilst Trump is in office? :hmmm:

IF true and that's a big if. Even with the sources of information above being in question we still read. Oh the outrage! How could anyone trust the U.S. ever again. Woes me, terrible so terrible. Its a death sentence! Such a mistake Trump blah blah blah. The horror the horror.

Just an FYI gents, what I know IS true is the EU has already set the example for the rest of the world and actually followed through and deported members of the Gulen movement back to Turkey.

https://hizmetnews.com/19126/bulgari...porter-turkey/

Where was the outrage then? Is it because the EU did it and that makes it somehow better or different? Wonder what the favors you gained from Erdogan were? Think Abdullah Buyuk is still alive?

Let me hear the outrage! :woot:

^ Yes, Bulgaria is in the EU, while human rights continue to 'suffer' badly.

"Hristo Hristev, a professor of EU law at Sofia University “Saint Kliment Ohridski” told BIRN on Monday that Bulgaria could face a trial before the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg as well as an infringement procedure in front of the European Commission for breaching various principles of the European Convention of Human Rights."

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...ter-04-24-2018
So there is outrage. But the mills turn slowly, too slowly, yes.

And the bulgarian reason for the extradition: “We must not allow the migrant wave to flood Bulgaria,” he said in an interview with NOVA,[...]
Sounds familiar, eh?
Adding that “...it is of great significance for Bulgaria to maintain good relations with Turkey.”

So are telling me human rights are still suffering badly in the E.U. and no outrage? How's that trial going? Anyone going to jail? What are you doing to bring these people to justice?

Here we have an actual real life case of a country in the free world sending a Gulen member back against his will to appease Erdogan and all we get are lame excuses how the mill turns slow. Great example guys!

Well, no, it doesn't sound familiar. Having worked in immigration enforcement for years I dont recall the U.S. ever sending someone to his death at the behest of another country's leader to stop others from coming to the United States. Though as the article suggests the Europe Union has.

This is why the EU as an international organisation needs more power to hinder and prevent nationalist local incest chieftains to violate international law. Welcome to the club.

Hmmm what I find astonishing is that after 70 plus years things really haven't changed over there have they? I'd of thought you would do this BEFORE you allow someone to join your precious Union. But no thanks doesn't sound like a club I want to join.

oh i did not mean that club oops

Seriously, it was not a good idea to let certain nations join the EU. Bulgaria. Romania. Fortunately not Turkey.
You know basically all states that vow and promise to fulfill the requirements to become a member, and then just do not do it.

A second thought surely was that when they join, democratic thoughts, free speech, values and a general increase of information and education would diffuse or "trickle" into those countries.. but you know how those "trickle down" effects work in the end :03:

Basically, the US has had a long held standard of behavior when it comes to human rights and, basically, it boils down to : If you talk the talk, you have to walk the walk. A little thing called national honor and image...


Of course, maybe all that has has changed now that we have that paragon of virtue, integrity, ethics, and honesty now in the Oval Office...












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Oh please. You must be joking. Are you suggesting that all previous administrations were a "paragon of virtue, integrity, ethics, and honesty". I sure hope not.

You have to admit that general handling and conduct has reached an all-time low. Though i am not informed about Genghis Khan's speeches.

I am not defending the present administration. But I wouldn't dream of defending the previous one. I'd have to consult a lawyer first.

:D

Isn't Chicago part of the human rights problem?

http://www.chicagonow.com/getting-re...-2018-murders/

Chicago's Safest And Most Dangerous Neighborhoods 2018


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jamal-k...on-2018-11-17/

CIA concludes Saudi crown prince ordered Jamal Khashoggi’s assassination

:rotfl2: :haha: