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Betonov 11-26-15 05:26 AM

http://i.imgur.com/XsiHSVU.jpg

Betonov 11-26-15 06:10 AM

I hnope the EU and NATO don't do a solidarity bailout for the Turks, giving them subsidies for the lost revenue from a Russian embargo/boycott. I am too poor to be financing terrorists.

Oberon 11-26-15 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2361570)
Same thing that tipped me off. Turkish army is a modern one and Pattons would be an outdated hardware. Reserve or training. And in case of Erdogan, killing-a-pilot-while-parachuting-out-of-jet bonus for the militia.

Ugh, you could mount a dinamo to the grave of Ataturk and have free power for the solar system :nope:

Actually the M60 is the most numerous tank in the Turkish arsenal, they have 397 Leopard Is and 354 Leopard IIs but 1,646 M60s so that might actually just be a routine deployment rather than a gift to the 'Little green men'. Most likely though, rather than a black flag, they'll probably first, if they do cross the border, fly this flag:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...gades_flag.png

Raptor1 11-26-15 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2361570)
Same thing that tipped me off. Turkish army is a modern one and Pattons would be an outdated hardware. Reserve or training. And in case of Erdogan, killing-a-pilot-while-parachuting-out-of-jet bonus for the militia.

Ugh, you could mount a dinamo to the grave of Ataturk and have free power for the solar system :nope:

While they do have some Leopard 2s nowadays, M60s still make up the majority of Turkey's front line MBTs. These seem to be M60A3s in particular. Not the most modernized version of the M60 that Turkey fields (which would be the M60T in small numbers), but they're still the most widespread 'modern' tank in their arsenal. Outdated hardware for the Turkish army would probably be more like their stockpile of M48 Pattons, some of which they still keep in service, as far as I know.

EDIT: Damn it! Need to complete posts faster...

Betonov 11-26-15 07:18 AM

It seems I may have been wrong. :hmmm:

CaptainRamius 11-26-15 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RitaLucero (Post 2361572)
I think someone wants to start WW3!
What is going on in this world guys?we kill each other for resources and power, mankind is going to its end!:yeah:

We've mentioned that already :nope:

Bilge_Rat 11-26-15 11:05 AM

some more stuff.

this is what Erdogan said in 2012 when a Turkish F-4 was shot down by the Syrians:

Quote:

In 2012, Ankara accused Syria of shooting down a Turkish F-4 Phantom. That plane crash-landed in the Mediterranean after veering into Syrian airspace. In response, an outraged Erdogan lambasted the Syrian military for acting in haste.

"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack," he told Parliament at the time.


http://sputniknews.com/military/2015...radiction.html

even though Turkey now takes the position, it can shoot down any plane which enters its air space, it turns out the Turkish air force is deliberately violating Greek air space on a daily basis, including a flight of 6 planes yesterday:

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Even though Turkey has outlined its tough stance and rules of engagement when it comes to intruding aircraft in its own skies, it has hugely increased its own violations of airspace claimed by Greece over the past three years. Data recorded by the Greek military has shown that Turkish aircraft violated its claimed airspace 2,244 times in 2014. By October of this year, Turkish aircraft had made 1,443 intrusions with the financially-weakened Greek military stuggling to respond.
http://www.forbes.com/sites#/sites/n...r-infographic/

other pilots in the area heard the Turkish warnings:

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A civilian pilot who was in the sky when the Turkish military issued a warning to, and ultimately shot down, a Russian fighter jet has provided Al Arabiya News with a recording that proves the Turkish authorities issued several warnings to the plane.

The pilot, who was flying a Middle East Airlines (MEA) flight from Beirut’s Rafic Hariri International Airport to a Gulf country at approximately 9:00 a.m. (local Lebanese time) yesterday also verified the authenticity of a similar recording which was uploaded on the information sharing website LiveLeak which many international media outlets have carried.

“I confirm the authenticity of their recording, I heard these exact same warnings over and over again and the part I recorded on my phone was actually towards the end when I felt the matter was getting serious,” the Lebanese aviator told Al Arabiya News on the condition of anonymity.

The version of the recording obtained by Al Arabiya News from this pilot clearly proves that Turkish authorities were issuing repeated warnings to the Russian aircraft that they “were approaching Turkish air space”.

“Unknown air traffic position onto Humeymim 020, redirect to 26 miles. This is Turkish Air Force speaking - en guard. You are approaching Turkish airspace. Change your heading south immediately.,” the Turkish officer was repeatedly saying.

There was however no response from the Russian side, which Al Arabiya’s source says has been the case for weeks.

The MEA pilot explained that from what he gathers, Tuesday's incident was not the first as he had heard similar warnings over his radio transmission for the past month.

“I heard similar warnings two or three times a week, on every flight I took for the past month.

“What was different this time is that the Turkish officer was shouting and seemed tense, while the warnings were much calmer in previous times… this is why I knew something was going to happen,” he added.

No-fly zone?

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic....28413&start=30

notice the part I bolded, it does sound like Turkey had made up their mind on how they would react beforehand.

Question is did Turkey do this on their own or did they check with certain NATO partners beforehand? :hmmm:

Dmitry Markov 11-26-15 01:13 PM

On those "Turkmen" that killed our Crew Commander - there is an old Russian black humour nursery rhime : " Malenkiy malchik nashel pulemyout - bolshe v derevne nikto ne zhivyot..." ( A little boy has found a machine-gun - no one lives in a village since then...)
Our RuASF together with Navy and SAA's artillery have worked on this area last night after Special Forces evacuated Nav's Officer - it's now militia-free area. I've heard about that yesterday but now our MoD has officialy approved that.

Commander Wallace 11-26-15 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmitry Markov (Post 2361704)
On those "Turkmen" that killed our Crew Commander - ther is old Russian black humour nursery rhime : " Malenkiy malchik nashel pulemyout - bolshe v derevne nikto ne zhivyot..." ( A little boy has found a machine-gun - no one lives in a village since then...)
Our RuASF together with Navy and SAA's artillery have worked on this area last night after Special Forces evacuated Nav's Officer - it's now militia-free area. I've heard about that yesterday but now our MoD has officialy approved that.

Thankfully, you have the other Crew member of the SU-24 returned unharmed.

Dmitry Markov 11-26-15 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace (Post 2361709)
Thankfully, you have the other Crew member of the SU-24 returned unharmed.

And now he asks the MoD to let him stay at Syria and perform flights because he "has to pay the debt for Commander".

mapuc 11-26-15 03:17 PM

I'm convinced, in a few month from now the relation between Russia and Turkey will be back to almost normal again.

Markus

Commander Wallace 11-27-15 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 2361659)
some more stuff.

this is what Erdogan said in 2012 when a Turkish F-4 was shot down by the Syrians:



http://sputniknews.com/military/2015...radiction.html

even though Turkey now takes the position, it can shoot down any plane which enters its air space, it turns out the Turkish air force is deliberately violating Greek air space on a daily basis, including a flight of 6 planes yesterday:



http://www.forbes.com/sites#/sites/n...r-infographic/

other pilots in the area heard the Turkish warnings:



http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic....28413&start=30

notice the part I bolded, it does sound like Turkey had made up their mind on how they would react beforehand.

Question is did Turkey do this on their own or did they check with certain NATO partners beforehand? :hmmm:


All good questions.

CaptainRamius 11-27-15 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace (Post 2361823)
All good questions.

And great links too. Very informative :up:

Skybird 11-29-15 07:07 PM

Newtonian physics, and billiard.

http://www.dw.com/en/scientists-offe...13228-xml-atom

mapuc 11-29-15 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2362390)

So what is the correct answer to this ?

Markus


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