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Originally Posted by AngusJS (Post 2306113)

Move along, move along, nothing to see here, there's no problem with law enforcement in America. :doh:

Imagine what would have happened to the cop if there wasn't footage of him murdering someone and then trying to frame the man as he lay dying.

Nothing, that's what.

It would be fascinating to able to run the whole scenario from the beginning, but replace Scott with your average middle-aged white guy. Would some magic force have stayed the cop's trigger finger? My feeling is this whole chain of events was initiated because a cop felt he had to pull over a black driver for a trivial violation as an excuse because he suspected he didn't belong in that fancy car, or maybe in that neighborhood.

can't vouch for the accuracy of this, but according to this interpretation, the fight between Scott and Slager went on for some time: i.e. "fight continues for another apx 100 yds".

https://theconservativetreehouse.fil...pg?w=640&h=423

and it appears Slager was hit by his own Taser: notice the wire which seems to be extending from a dart in Slager's chest area.

https://theconservativetreehouse.fil...ng?w=640&h=403

if true it would strengthen his case that this was self-defence.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...h-taser-darts/

Guess the police are going to have to start shooting witnesses to...

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 2306302)

if true it would strengthen his case that this was self-defence.

If true, it turns this around 180° and absolutely justifies self defense.
There are ways to beg for getting shot.
Attacking a cop with any sort of weapon is one of them.

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Not so clearcut! The video does not show what caused the officer to deploy a dangerous weapon initially; escalating above level one: his presence; level two: voice command to a sublethal (but not always) taser, level three...before resorting to deadly force, level four

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner (Post 2306304)

If true, it turns this around 180° and absolutely justifies self defense.
There are ways to beg for getting shot.
Attacking a cop with any sort of weapon is one of them.

This worm is beginning to turn a little;:hmmm: with 100 yards of chase and a fight all off camera.

If this was a Michael Brown situation where the cop was being advanced upon that'd be one thing but how exactly was the cop in this case defending himself by shooting a fleeing suspect in the back?

I just watched the video which was linked above. Note this is a compilation based on the audio recordings, so may be subject to manupilation, but it shows a gap of 1 minute 43 seconds from the time Scott runs from his car to Slager shooting, so there is a large gap unaccounted for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glsG...layer_embedded

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2306324)

If this was a Michael Brown situation where the cop was being advanced upon that'd be one thing but how exactly was the cop in this case defending himself by shooting a fleeing suspect in the back?

At this point, I am still just gathering the facts. However since Slager is now charged with murder, the State of South Carolina has to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. Slager does not have to prove that he acted in self-defence, he just has to raise a reasonable doubt. Now whether what we are seeing so far is enough is debatable.

more info on self-defence in South Carolina:

http://www.dalesavage.com/self-defen...outh-carolina/

The charge of murder seems like a knee jerk reaction to deflect attention from city officials. But in doing so, did those officials do the shooter a favor by charging him with murder? Like you said a good defense can raise a heck of a lot of doubt coupled with the higher standards for the burden of proof required for such an accusation. I would expect an acquittal.

"Excited delirium" on both sides?

As in my initial post in this thread, and with 100 yards of 'running altercation' not on video but which was sufficient to bring a taser into play: is that the officer believes the suspect HAS the taser and is fleeing with it: the only thing that would justify the horrific back-shooting. Every police officer is aware of civil liability connected to his performance and the taser or even the baton must not become 'unretained' by an officer-as his carelessness is then grounds for his liability. From the video of the shoot, it's not clear that the officer knows where his taser is (actually flown 4 feet behind him) and he is preventing it's escape from a strangely acting suspect-whatever his motivation- that starts 100 yards+ back with the routine car stop and susequent foot-chase. ""Non-lethal" is still the operative term with all of these new weapons, but civilian experience with Taser stun guns shows that "non-lethal" means "usually not lethal." Since 2001, roughly 200 people have died after being stunned with Tasers. Taser International, Inc., attributes all of the deaths to other causes, including acute intoxication and "excited delirium." The U.S. Department of Justice has launched an investigation to review some of those deaths." "In less than eight years, Miami Police, Miami-Dade Police, and Miami Beach Police officers have used their Tasers more than 3,000 times,” Michael E. Miller writes. “At least 11 men have died after being tasered by cops during that same period, including five in the past 16 months.” As before, I won't use one. The taser mfg knows this is bad publicity and every cop knows of the lethality of these weapons especially with regard to his municipality's liability and his potential lost retirement package...The list of deceasesd taser victims: http://electronicvillage.blogspot.com/2009/05/taser-related-deaths-in-united-states.html Since 2009 there have been 634 documented taser deaths in America; mostly directed at minorities! @ NeonSamurai:D: that adds up to pretty lethal for 'non-lethal' in my book. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lHSs0_Tg0v...uteLiberty.jpg :down:vs http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DmtdGP6kzM...the-Tasers.jpg:up:

more stuff!

this was Scott's passenger in the car:

http://conservative-headlines.com/20...wn-gangbanger/

Pierre Fulton, 30, who has a long record, including armed robbery, possession of crack cocaine, etc.,

it really makes you wonder why Scott ran, I find it hard to believe it was just over unpaid child support.

SCOTUS opinion in Tennessee v Garner states that deadly force by a peace officer "may not be used unless necessary to prevent escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”

And that probable cause is subject to the reasonableness test in Graham v Connor (as the courts have determined shooting a fleeing suspect as a "seizure") “must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer at the scene, rather than with the vision of 20-20 hindsight”.

Would another police officer placed into that same situation, have taken the same action? Im sure they'll find someone.

If this guy walks some cities are going to burn this summer I think.

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2306393)

If this guy walks some cities are going to burn this summer I think.

This will be a problem for years to come, the suspicion is high on all sides. Even if the officer acted perfectly correct, what you wrote will most probably happen, witch hunts work both sides.