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MGR1 04-18-15 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ExFishermanBob (Post 2307612)
.....the current reaction of the press and the parties...well, what more can I say?

Best recruiting tool the SNP has ever had.:/\\!!

Now that the political dynamic has changed after the referendum, it's interesting to see all the bubbling resentment in England come to a head. It doesn't speak well for the Union if a majority of the people of England now just view Scotland, and a lesser extent Wales and Northern Ireland, as an expensive burden. A mere expense, rather than equal partners in the Union. The Barnett formula's got a lot to with it, but New Labour's asymmetrical devolution settlement hasn't helped in the least. EVEL is just a sticky plaster solution, England needs to have it's own parliament and it baffles me as to why it currently seem so hostile to the whole concept?

Mike.

mapuc 04-18-15 02:16 PM

As said before interesting thread. It will be even more interesting after the election-see your reaction.

Markus

ExFishermanBob 04-18-15 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 2307718)
Best recruiting tool the SNP has ever had.:/\\!!

Now that the political dynamic has changed after the referendum, it's interesting to see all the bubbling resentment in England come to a head. It doesn't speak well for the Union if a majority of the people of England now just view Scotland, and a lesser extent Wales and Northern Ireland, as an expensive burden. A mere expense, rather than equal partners in the Union. The Barnett formula's got a lot to with it, but New Labour's asymmetrical devolution settlement hasn't helped in the least. EVEL is just a sticky plaster solution, England needs to have it's own parliament and it baffles me as to why it currently seem so hostile to the whole concept?

Mike.

Well, the problem is the Treaty of Union - the English Act states that the English parliament was to be dissolved and Westminster was to pop into existence. Varying the Treaty would require the agreement of the other party to it, namely, the political entity known as the Scots. I don't think that would be a problem, but Westminster would have to admit the supremacy of the Claim of Right (1989 and 1689) and Arbroath (1320), of course. They really don't want to do that I suspect, which is leading to all the nonsense about EVEL and the like. Most people don't really understand the nature of the Union and the Treaty - if you do, much becomes clearer (for instance, the result of the indyref didn't really matter - the definition of who could vote in it, and hence the definition of 'Scot', in 2012, was the really important thing).

You'll notice that UKIP have moved from demanding an English parliament to wanting EVEL, no doubt once they realised the problem.

I meant to add - the bigoted views expressed by some English commentators are, I hope and feel (being English), in the minority: mind you, I've lived in Scotland for so long now that I no longer know what is happening in England. I suspect that they are suffering from not having discussed anything constitutional for a long time - we've had a few years of it, but they are just starting.

Jimbuna 04-19-15 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2307655)

'End of the world' eh? :hmmm:

You must know something about the result in advance :)

ExFishermanBob 04-19-15 09:18 AM

Heh:haha:

STEED 04-19-15 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2307829)
'End of the world' eh? :hmmm:

You must know something about the result in advance :)

ME?...Your not suggesting the election is rigged are you jim? :hmmm: :03:

STEED 04-19-15 11:01 AM

BBC Poll of Polls April 19th
Conservatives 34
Labour 34
Ukip 14
Lib Dem 8
Green 5
Others 5
No Change to any party

STEED 04-19-15 11:08 AM

UKIP is in big trouble and set only to win one seat.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10187516.html

So why the fear of UKIP? :hmmm:

The trouble is, is a expert a expert? :hmmm:

MGR1 04-19-15 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ExFishermanBob (Post 2307732)
.......but Westminster would have to admit the supremacy of the Claim of Right (1989 and 1689) and Arbroath (1320), of course.

Ah, of course.

"The People are Sovereign" vs "Parliament is Sovereign". I can see why that would be a problem for Westminster. It's a direct challenge to it's authority. The current UK Constitution isn't set up to handle the concept of American style popular sovereignty.

Mike.

STEED 04-20-15 07:03 AM

This is a real disgrace and I hope who ever forms the next government sorts this out and I mean sort it out and not put on the back burner.

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Anger at £35m NHS chief pay rises
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nhs-chiefs...mt_s=m#6g8gPz3

STEED 04-20-15 07:16 AM

Attention North England...

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The SNP will offer to help the North of England "rebalance Britain" as it makes manifesto pledges about public spending south of the border for the first time, Sky News has learnt.
Nicola Sturgeon's party will promise to be "natural allies" of MPs in the North with pledges of increased spending on infrastructure – specifically high-speed rail.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sturgeon-m...8.html#0puwIkN

Do feel this is good or fishy? :hmmm:

ExFishermanBob 04-20-15 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2308057)
This is a real disgrace and I hope who ever forms the next government sorts this out and I mean sort it out and not put on the back burner.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nhs-chiefs...mt_s=m#6g8gPz3

Same here. It's funny how any of the NHSs managed for years without all these highly-paid people.

ExFishermanBob 04-20-15 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2308059)
Attention North England...



https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sturgeon-m...8.html#0puwIkN

Do feel this is good or fishy? :hmmm:

Well, I always look for the source: "...Sky News has learnt." "Senior SNP sources said:..." So no actual pronouncement from herself or from any named person. Fishy, I think - a bit of a slant on what has actually been said. :hmmm:


It's amazing how terrified people seem to be of one little Ayrshire woman and an absolute maximum of 59 seats. Also, that she's still in favour of independence at some time. In other news, water is wet, sky is blue (except for viewers in Scotland).

STEED 04-20-15 12:40 PM

Don't vote Labour SNP will pull their strings, vote for Conservatives so the SNP can pull our strings. :hmmm:

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Cameron Defends Tory 'Alliance' With SNP
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/cameron-de...mt_s=m#MCZqXT4

Del Boy Dave:- "All right love want a Beta Max vote for me"

STEED 04-20-15 01:35 PM

Been reading comments on a news site and some people seem to think Gordon Brown is standing in his seat in this election and some of them can't wait to see him loose to the SNP.

Errr....he has stepped down and set sail into the sun set. :rolleyes:


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