I like the gun. I didn't notice a whole lot of recoil. It wasn't bad. :hmmm:

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I wonder how the sales of knives is going ?

I'm surprised nobody's started a thread on that yet. I thought about it, but decided that was best left to Yubba.

Yeah it is surprising to me as well.Of course I notice that it hardly got the attention that a gun incident would get in the media.That stabbing got the same amount of treatment that a very minor firearm incident would get.

This is of course because it flies in the face of the medias agenda on firearms.

@RedOctober In my post about measurements I said barrel length that is incorrect.You are looking for length of the rifle from butt stock to muzzle.

You felt lower recoil because you where using ammo with less powder.Many people will hand load(or purchase hand loads) 7.62x54mm with a lighter powder load to make it more pleasant to shoot.Full power rounds are fairly strong recoil wise and only needed for hunting or in combat or at one time in combat.

I hear guys incorrectly think that 7.62x54mm is on par with .303 in power that is because they are shooting light rounds.

I have made some really light powder loads that my daughter uses(she is 10) in my M44s it still has a bit of recoil for someone that size but it makes it not a nightmare.She tried a few times with more powerful rounds but it was to much recoil for her.


At the Russian armament museum in Tula they have a one off scaled down M91 that was made for Alexei Nikolaevich Romanov(son of Nichols) its caliber was 3.81x27R.There are photos of him carrying it out there on the web.

How did you come to that conclusion? :hmmm: For all I know, they could be full or light. I'm not sure. They're all in a MilSurp kind of box.


Buttstock to Muzzle? Okay. I'll measure after dinner. :up:

I don't know what else do you shoot because unless you are popping off .300mag or .338 rounds all day a Mosin-Nagant should have a pretty noticeable recoil in comparison to anything smaller in caliber.

Do not mistake my statement of noticeable recoil as unmanageable to an experienced shooter.Though a full power 7.62x54mm round if it has a full powder load you should fell it the next day if you fired of a few dozen even if you have been shooting for many years.I know a lot of people that collect bolt action military rifles that run a lower powder round just because they want to fell less sore the next day.Surplus rounds can be pretty old the powder fight not burn up as it is supposed to giving you less recoil.

Surplus rounds are mainly sold for the purposes of plinking I would not hunt or compete with those for reasons of inconsistent power and ballistics which you will get to some extent with surplus.They are still great for familiarization and consistency for your muscle memory.

I didn't fire off a dozen of the things. I probably fired 6 or 7 rounds. We've only got maybe 10-12 boxes of 7.62R and I had to leave some for the rest of the people we had at the party. :smug: Last time I shot it, I also shot roughly 50 rounds from our AK-47 (I perfected the double tap. I destroyed a melon...) and another 25-30 from a .22 so I was sore the next day. Mainly from the AK double taps I think. :D Man, I love shooting that thing.

Recoil doesn't bother me too much. I've been deer hunting with a 30-06 semi-auto and it isn't that bad. I'm hoping to get my .223 sighted in this weekend. The only time recoil bothers me is when I'm shooting a pistol. I shot a .40 S&W Compact a while back. I could hit the target at 25 yards....but nothing special. I'm not a great pistol shot. :oops:


The only thing I have to measure the Mosin with is a yardstick... I'll try...

EDIT: I've got 2 questions for you.

With my .223 Remington bolt action, I should be able to shoot Mil-Spec 5.56 rounds right? I was reading about how it's bad for your barrel but it doesn't make any sense why I couldn't shoot NATO rounds.

And, I have a Sweet .223 scope. It compensates for bullet drop at range. There isn't a setting for 64-gr 5.56 NATO rounds on there. I just have dials for 55-gr, 62-gr, and 50-gr. How much difference will 2 grains make at 100-150 yards if I set it at 62-gr?

EDIT2: The Mosin is roughly 48 inches.

I wouldn't as it could blow up in your face. More than one person has told me this:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3153921AAw4i5c
Link to the GunZone commentary: http://www.thegunzone.com/556v223.html

That's what I've been hearing. I'm just looking for ways to get cheaper ammo.

MilSurp ammo apparently won't work. Right...gotcha. Guess I'll be saving my brass and buying 20$ boxes of ammo... :salute:

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Coincidentally today I bought 120 rounds of Russian laminated steel case .223 at $8 bucks per 20ea round box. No good for reloading but it'll make a fun day at the range.

Brown Bear .223 Remington
55 grain bimetal HP
boat tail bullet
Lacquered steel case
non-corrosive berdan primer

Well heck! Where did you get that price?!

I want in on that. :woot: I've got a total of 64 rounds to my name. (20 FMJ, 40 Soft Point, 4 Unknown :D ) 8$ a box is amazing!

Local gun shop I stopped at on a whim on the way home from work. He was just unpacking a case of 25 boxes. I offered to buy the whole case but he limited me to six. "I gotta make it fair to the other guys".

Find out when FEDEX guy makes it's delivery and chase him in the door. I bet when I go back tomorrow after work it'll be all gone.

Go in tomorrow, buy me some, send it to me, and I'll send the money back!

Or just tell me where you live. :D

I'm just kidding. You don't need to send me ammo. :03:

Most likely Your Savage was designed for .223 and not 5.56mm.Most AR-15s and AR-15 based clones are chambered for 5.56mm.If the rifle was designed for 5.56mm you can use .223,5.56 M193 or what ever 5.56 that you want.If the rifle was designed for .223 you can't use 5.56mm in it.

If you ever plan on buying a AR at some point buy one that has been produced since the 1990s because they will use 5.56mm and then you can safely use both 5.56 and .223 in it.Your Savage and similar bolt action rifles where put on the market back in the 1970's and 80's when the AR-15 was no where near as common and as a result .223 and 5.56mm where in much lower demand.Now with so many newer ARs that can use both rounds people buy up both calibers like mad.

Even if you could safely chamber 5.56mm your rifle has a twist ratio that is not compatible with 5.56mm ammo especially anything based on the SS109 round and the bullet would tumble at some point in its flight.The Savage has a 1:10 or 1:12 ratio(it is likely stamped on the barrel some place) you should avoid any round that is above 62 grains but read your manual or ask a gunsmith or seller that knows what they are talking about it might be able to handle heaver rounds but the accuracy will be lowered because it is a varmint gun optimized for 30-55gr rounds that is good because those are cheaper than heavier rounds.

ARs have a lower twist ratio so they can better accommodate differing rounds.that being said many people will have more than barrel and upper.They will have a varmint upper with a .223 chamber and a rifle with a 1:10 or so ratio and have a another upper and barrel optimized for the newer heavy grain 5.56 rounds.

I have an upper and barrel that accepts .468 SOCOM it is a boar killer.The nice thing is that .468 rounds fit just fine inside any magazine designed for 5.56mm.

Have fun with that Savage but save at least some of your money to buy some more rifles of your own.

I've decided that my next one is going to be a Mosin. I love that gun too much to not have one. They're cheap but awesome. My birthday is at the end of this summer. If I don't have it by then, I know what I want for my birthday. :D A Mosin-Nagant 91/30 like my dad's and a few boxes of those silver tip Russian rounds.

Now for my savage, I have 64-gr .223 Remington Soft Points... I would think that i could use them but you tell me otherwise....

I'll ask the local gunsmith sometime. Hunting season isn't for a while and I don't target shoot with soft points.