This line of argument reminds me of a scene in the movie "Delta Farce" a stupid comedy starring Larry the Cable Guy.

He's in a Mexican standoff with Mexican bandits ("Down here Senor we just call it a standoff"). The leader says "You can't shoot all of us" to which Larry replies "Yeah you're right. I'll just shoot you instead"

Thinking that some financial break even point matters in the least is just plain foolish. The bottom line here, and the line that will matter to the NK leadership, is that if they actually nuke an American city they will all die.
We don't have to wipe out the entire country, we just have to wipe out those responsible for it. That Sir is real deterrent.

This becomes even more true when you study the oriental mind, especially when applied to the North and South of Korea.

They actually love each other ... they actually think they are the same country with two different governments being the only difference.

Ten to fifteen percent of south Korea have relatives in North Korea.

They don't want to harm their brothers and sisters.

North Korea's aim is to unite the south to the north.

We need to let them sort this out without getting nuked for our help in the matter.

I don't get the argument because it is not my place on here to argue with anyone but the point I was trying to make was simply...the cost to the NK potentially obliteration, a cessation of its very existence.

I too believe NY is worth more than NK but the US could and would rebuild and prosper further whilst the NK wouldn't.

Problem remains that this kind of reasoning does not match the guy who is so self-convinced that he thinks he can get away with any stunt he tries. That is why some people commit capital crimes although they know that if they get caught death penalty will be theirs - because they know for sure that of course they will not get caught.

Also is implied here that the other side is reasonable and sane. I have little reason to think Kim is sane. To me he shows quite some signs of mental delusions, paranoia, murderous psychopathy, disconnection from reality, megalomania.

Fine then, in case of NY getting wiped out, you still can go after him, and sooner or later - how long did it last with Osama? Ten years? Twelve? - find and kill him. That will be a glorious day for sure. NY still will be a smoking ruin, millions still will be dead, and trillions of dollars in damages still will haunt the US economy and finances and effect all world economy.

And then there is the scenario when you deal with somebody who simply does not care whether he survives or not. That really brings you down to the ground of reality pretty soon. May be relgious conviction. Mybe that he is too stupid to understand where he stands and what the other side - us - is capable of. NK is isolationistic by definition. I really wonder whether they really realistically assess their military capabilties. Remember how it was in Nazi Germany. Those generals who saw the truth coming - then did not dare to speak out when being with the Fuhrer. Say, would you tell Kim that he is commanding an army of Lego soldiers when you have seen him shooting subordinates for less? Maybe you would. If you have cancer in terminal stadium.

I fail to see the solace in that. Nuclear exchange is not Basketball. In this game you do not want to win by just 86:82, you want to win to nil. Else you better think twice whether you really want to start playing. Every point scored by the other side means 100,000 of your people dead and ten billion economic dollars destroyed.

As a friend of mine once put it: this type of ballgame is played best by storming the cabin and breaking the other' teams legs and arms before the referee starts the game.

I'm sure the last thing that went through bin Ladens head, other than that SEAL bullet, was "Well at least I hurt them more than they will hurt me".

Talk about not finding solace...

Allow me to point out the precise context (see my original post quoted above).

I am talking about a retaliatory strike from the US, should NK nuke NY.

What would you expect the US to do otherwise?

Sue for peace and run the risk another city of theirs was nuked a short while later.

I'm of the opinion should the above happen, retribution would be swift and effective. Either that or face more nuclear strikes and send the message to China and Russia that the US are an easy touch.

Having said all that I doubt the NK have the capability but one day it may well have.

This is not about finding solace but more a case of maintaining an effective deterrent and an effective means of delivering a swift conclusion should the unimaginable ever become a reality.

Well, I am talking about deterrance that maybe bases on false assumptions. To assume that self-destruction necessarily always will deter somebody from delivering you a costly strike from which you will suffer more than he will - in his perception.

The claim has made or implied that the outlook of NK being wiped out will keep Kim from doing something stupid. I just want to say that it is not wise to trust that assumption blindly. It must not be true.

Just minutes ago I read that the sane insane is deeply worried about the two huge statues of his father and grandfather in the city, because to him they are holy and he worries that they could get damaged once the war has broken out. Say - if Kim's priorities are like that, you still want to bet money on his sanity? I say he belongs in a mental asylum, closed station, security wards at the door. His father and grandfather already were bad. He is worse.

Your probably close to the truth regarding his personal state of mind but only time will tell in the end.

How bad or evil he is again, only time will tell.

One fact that is beyond doubt...should the Chinese fail in their efforts to control him, the US have the means to end the ball game should they ever fell they run out of alternative options.

Meanwhile back at home ... USAF sending B-2's to South Korea as a show of force ...

sobers me :yep:

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2013/0...-korea-032813/

Another way of saying tantrum. :doh:

Dunno, I think it's just sabre rattling again.

We, somewhat "average joes" on an submarine simulation forum understand how bad idea it would be to attack.. well.. anything as NK. I'm pretty sure the staff there knows that too.

I wouldnt be surprised if the young bastard would give an order to start a war and he would just *disappear* and publicly it would be said he had an [insert deadly medical complication here].

It just might come to that Dowly. The guy still crapping green and running a country. Sometimes I think he is just a puppet.

difference from this one is... i would say the same if it was my house that was targeted by a nuke.

a) a NK+China versus SK+US shootout match would suck big time for the entire planet - economy, health, biology, physics, weather, contamination... that war would be everywhere. Simple.

b) i am one of 7+ billion. so let the NKs nuke my house, my street, my country... europe, for all i care. or moscow. or Darwin, Mumbay or ceylon or kapstadt.

"lieber ein schreckliches ende als ein ende ohne schrecken" "better a horrible end, than neverending horror"

But i have to say i am disgusted, once again, by humanity - bigmouths everywhere, but nobody has the balls to get their act together and do anyrthing. Nuke or invade, send some French/german/*insert nation* Sniper team to take out that Loudmouthing NK Kid
or send a suicide bomber to give his life for a new north corea and a handsfull of b*ches in heaven.

The Leadership of the world needs the NK "asshats" so that it can point a finger at someone.

It needs the NK to remain in that position... to maintain their mantra of
"our democracy and our freedom are better than the NK way of life, so be happy with what you have, do not complain of us robbing you!"

NK the scapegoat.
And the world falls to the lies and smokescreen.
Again.

Pathetic.

Perhaps we should take this guy more seriously ... :smug:


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...n_2521040k.jpg

and send him to the moon :up: